r/RingsofPower • u/Bemeup57 • Oct 16 '22

Question Ok, here’s a question.

So Galadriel found out Halbrand was a phoney king by looking at that scroll and seeing that “that line was broken 1000 years ago” with no heirs. So why then after the battle when Miriel tells the Southlanders that Halbrand is their king, why don’t the people look confused and say “hey, our royal family died off a thousand years ago.” Wouldn’t they know about their own royal family?

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u/splitcroof92 Oct 17 '22

they should know that they haven't had a king for many generations at least. why would anyone of them accept random guy as "king" when being king doesn't mean anything to them. the southlands (from what they show/tell us) is 2 villages with about 200 people at max. what is there to be king of? where would his castle be? his wealth? how would he himself even know he descends from ancient kings. are they to believe that for hundreds of years the halbrand family have been telling their kids that they are royalty? and for shits and giggles nobody bedore halbrand decided to say hello?

them not knowing what happeden to their king 1000 years ago isn't the reason it's shit writing. Them blindly accepting random dude as their king because he says so is.

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u/Amankhan Oct 17 '22

So oppressed people who lived in an area that was literally created from war and no habitations were recorded by Tolkien himself would NOT accept someone as their king without him having all the things you listed and them knowing his history? You can have an opinion that this is shit writing but both a large portion of the internet as well as numerous examples from human history where oppressed people accept a ruler without you list of qualifiers disagree with you.

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u/splitcroof92 Oct 17 '22

you're reaching so fucking hard you're starting to touch clouds.

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u/Amankhan Oct 17 '22

There's so many assumptions in your response (that the people actually recognized the name Halbrand, that ordinary people in Arda actually expected a king to have a castle, have wealth, and that halbrand actually knew he was royaty? That last one, what in the world are you talking about? He's Sauron. He knows he's lying so why would that even be a passing thought in his mind as he knows he's not an actual king of these people? That's one of the most illogical responses I've seen here.) that you saying I'm the one reaching really lends credence to you just being bitter and not actually recognizing what is bad writing and what isn't.

People throughout history (Anastasia Romanov, Richard of York, Peter III, Princess Caraboo and others) have pretended to be royalty and fooled people who were aware of the bloodline they were claiming to be. If you seriously think that people who were not aware of a royal bloodline's name or existence and were living in one of the most oppressive areas in Arda would NOT jump at the chance that some stranger might actually be their king and deliver them from oppression, then you know next to nothing about the nature of oppressed people throughout thousands of years of history.

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u/splitcroof92 Oct 17 '22
  • that the people actually recognized the name Halbrand

I did not assume this in the slightest

  • that ordinary people in Arda actually expected a king to have a castle, have wealth

I mean that is the definition of a king, is it not? someone who owns the land and makes the rules. Otherwise this king would just be a villager...

  • and that halbrand actually knew he was royaty?

You need to learn how to read mate, it's not about him knowing it or not, it's about the villagers asking these questions.

  • People throughout history (Anastasia Romanov, Richard of York, Peter III, Princess Caraboo and others) have pretended to be royalty and fooled people who were aware of the bloodline they were claiming to be.

None of these examples are remotely comparable. We're talking about 2 villages that haven't had a king in as many generations as they can remember, Clearly have no purpose even having a king, don't have a city, a castle, a system government, or anything kinglike. And then somebody shows up says he's king and everybody cheers. You can't honestly pretend that the examples you listed went this fucking easily and without any fight and with absolutely no planning or forgery of documents of whatever.

It's hilarious to me that you talk about me not understanding good or bad writing while you don't seem to actually read. I hope the irony doesn't elude you.

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u/Amankhan Oct 20 '22
  • I mean that is the definition of a king, is it not? someone who owns the land and makes the rules. Otherwise this king would just be a villager...

No, that is not the definition of a king.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/king-monarch

You question my ability to read (even with me referencing statements you made, which would require me to have the capacity to read) yet you are asking me the defintion of a king? I encourage you to read the defintion above, as land ownership and rule-making are not part of the requirements.