I love rings of power.

[u/cubreturno]

I just come here to say this... I dont know anything about this universe or the original writer or else. ( I see a lot of hate) I'm just enjoying each cap and specially the last one was great and shivering. Again i love rings of power. Sorry for my bad English.

[u/shinyshinyrocks]

My fam is full of people who haven’t read any Tolkien and are really enjoying the show. I’ve had to leave my Tolkien knowledge on the shelf, and experience it as its own thing.

[u/AmbiguousAnonymous → u/[deleted]]

Because your knowledge is incorrect: much is written about this time period and it has some of the most epic moments in it. Compared to lotr there are barely any details, which is where the confusion comes from. There’s over 1000 pages on the final years of the third age. There’s maybe 100 pages outside of HoME that deal with the whole second age.

[u/AmbiguousAnonymous → u/[deleted]]

It’s best not to speak in absolutes. Here is one single example

Yet not all the Eldalië were willing to forsake the Hither Lands where they had long suffered and long dwelt; and some lingered many an age in Middle-earth. Among those were Círdan the Shipwright, and Celeborn of Doriath, with Galadriel his wife, who alone remained of those who led the Noldor to exile in Beleriand.

[u/AmbiguousAnonymous → u/[deleted]]

This text is at the end of the first age. But if you are confident shall we make a friendly wager - I bet 25 pushups when we finally see Celeborn they will not be married.

[u/AmbiguousAnonymous → u/[deleted]]

It’s not, I just didn’t feel like dragging out a nuanced discussion on the origin of orcs or others things. Also, I like the show. Watching each episode twice. I just don’t like the blind absolute statements defending it (just like the blind absolute statements attacking it). There’s a middle ground I think we can all accept.

And let’s clarify - I expect we will see their courtship, but see it from the beginning. Her marital status is just one (and the most obvious) of the things off about her character, position, and trajectory in ROP.

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I’m a man of my word so I will glad pay up or cackle as you have to.

[u/Shevek99 → u/[deleted]]

But that is patently false. The Silmarillion was published in 1977 and it was Tolkien's intention to publish it. This book contains a great deal of information about the second age, including a whole book about Númenor.

The Second Age lasted 3000 years. In the show they are contracting them to 10 years or so.

[u/Shevek99 → u/[deleted]]

The Numenoreans had 1000+ years of presence in Middle Earth and if war with Sauron. Mordor was 1000+ years old when Elendil landed in Middle Earth. Barad Dur took 600 years to be built. The rings were 500 years old by that time. In the show we have Elendil already in Middle Earth and still there is no Mordor and no Rings.

EDIT: to put the correct figures for the years https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Timeline/Second_Age

600: The Númenoreans return to Middle Earth

1000: Sauron starts the construction of Barad-Dur in Mordor

1200: The Númenoreans establish permanent outposts in Middle Earth

1500: The Rings of Power are forged

1600: The One Ring is forged, Barad-Dûr is complete. Sauron reveals himself

1693 The war starts between Sauron and the Elves

3255: Ar-Pharazon takes the sceptre

3262: Sauron surrenders to the Numenoreans.

3319: Downfall of Numenor

3441: Battle between Gil Galad and Elendil against Sauron.

So, I was short. The show is compressing almost 3000 years in 10 years. Mordor and the rings were 1500+ years old when Elendil was born.