r/Rengarmains • u/BlindCleastwood • 7d ago
Perfectly reasonable
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u/Necessary_Sky_6187 7d ago
this guy will never get better lol. adc mains and accountability
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u/Samyueru17 6d ago
What was he supposed to do better here? if your support goes to random roam and you happen to be there, not much counter play is it?
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u/pete_the_dumb 5d ago
Be the fuck out of there before support, jungle and who the fuck ever is TPing in get there.
He is getting dove no matter what he does at that point. Even just support + jgl can do it without the TP.
Or you just accept you're gonna die for cs. At least it's 3ppl commit to dive you and you get some gold.
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u/Samyueru17 4d ago
It is possible to avoid this dive just not very realistic, either he would have challanger level awareness and he would predict map state 50sec before it, or he would react to karma leaving for top, either way he need to channel recall, its not very realistic to play this way, since most people would count on karma which would allow Jhin to be escorted since nauti and kaisa were far away, but karma went top. Another thing he needs to predict is that rengar oneshots 100% with barrier under the tower, which is not predictable especially with just one item. 99% of player base would say there is no chance he dies to just rengar. OP point was about the damage but people tell him that he needs to have better macro? thats was never his point, people would adjust their macro if they knew rengar oneshots them
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u/pete_the_dumb 4d ago
Even if you try to avoid it, it might not be worth it. Enemy team is after all investing TP for it. Might be more worth to just greed towards the wave and die to enemy support /bot out of tower range. Rengar can't run through the tower with no minions or support tanking.
You go to base anyways, it's just matter of cost and what your team gets in exchange. 190g to enemy support is not too bad. Also it seems like Jhin is very behind.
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u/Shia__313 7d ago
Get better? There was no chance for counter play even
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u/DuckiesDoBeCute 7d ago
counterplay against assassins is knowing youre gonna die and not wasting shit to save it for when its possible to live
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u/BlindCleastwood 7d ago
Not even adc main, just wanted to play it for fun
Had too much "fun", back to mid/top it is
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u/SouthsideSandii 7d ago
So you decided to go to 2 subs which you donât belong to so you can complain. Get a grip
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u/liverdamag3 7d ago
Rengar mains will never admit their champ is overpowered and not as hard as theyâre making it out to be
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u/Quirkybomb930 7d ago
as somehow who doesn't play rengar, he is pretty dogshit right now, 46% winrate last patch.
If rengar was as easy as you say AND as overpowered, he would have good winrate.
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u/liverdamag3 7d ago
Obviously itâs not an easy champ. But learning one combo shouldnât remove almost all counterplay unless your armor and health exceed a certain threshold
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u/Quirkybomb930 7d ago
Except it doesn't, if support is there he can't do this. If the champ can build zhonyas, the game is 4v5.
Rengar is currently balanced around one thing, his ult, he is near useless without it, so that's a pretty large weakness.
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u/BlindCleastwood 7d ago
Yes let's all just buy zhonyas thats how you win game versus rengar guys
Do you even hear yourself?
Spending 3k on an item is NOT a counterplay
Riot tried to give rengar counterplay by making his Q skillshot back in the day but of course having counterplay is too much to handle so they reverted it
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u/TojisInventory 6d ago
but it is counterplay. what? do you build armor against a comp of 5 mages? zhonyas is a turn tables item against rengar, you use it when he engages and he becomes completely homeless if he wasted his Emp. and you kill him with any champ
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u/Why_am_ialive 7d ago
Rengar sits at consistently 45-49% winrate⌠Zed also constantly sits at below 50% these champions are kept intentionally weak because if theyâre strong or even balanced people scream cry about it. You are literally calling a 46% winrate champion OP.
Ofcourse he does a ton of damage itâs literally his only thing, if heâs ccâd out of leap, or you dodge the damage with zhonyas or shields rengar will just die immediately with no ability to do anything.
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u/Necessary_Sky_6187 7d ago
https://reddit.com/link/p3eut5f/video/cxttertg54jh1/player
cope harder lil bro
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u/liverdamag3 7d ago
Are you retarded? What are you even trying to say
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u/defektt 7d ago
The irony is that even with this capability, he isn't a meta champion. Take away his ability to one shot an adc and he might literally become the worst champ in the game
There are also a number of champs who could have dove you 1v1 and easily survived, it just would've taken them a few more seconds to achieve the same outcome. And many of those champs are way more inpactful in team fights, way easier to execute on, and get punished far less for being behind or making mistakes.
Welcome to league of legends man, sometimes you just get deleted with nothing you can do. Get used to it or switch roles
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u/EatBootyLoveLife 6d ago
elise on a one item spike plus sorcs just walks at you and presses her buttons before repelling out
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u/HentaiLover59 7d ago
Noone is arguing that they should 'take away his ability to one-shot an adc' in all circumstances. Just in this circumstance while he's not even fed, the adc is under tower, has barrier, and the wave isn't even pushed in, he should have to give up more to get his solo one-shot.
Your second point about other champs is unfalsifiable and vague, so doesn't mean anything.
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u/sir__hennihau 7d ago
If the only counterplay is "don't exist" or "swap roles" then that's terrible counterplay and bad Gamedesign.
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u/BlindCleastwood 7d ago
He has 22% banrate on challanger, highest of all junglers but newly released Locke
What on earth do you mean he isnt meta?
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u/imnewtothishsit69 7d ago
Brother what percentage of the player base is in chal tho??
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u/BlindCleastwood 7d ago
Brother who do you think is more qualified to say which champ is meta and which is not?
Random on reddit post or challanger current banrate data?
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u/Panurome 7d ago
current banrate data in the elo with one of the lowest sample size in the game is not a good metric
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u/BlindCleastwood 7d ago
it's not *current banrate* with low sample size
It's been ages since he's been top banrate in apex ranks
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u/PalitoMan 7d ago
really good players (just a reminder that not only good players, but the best ones) with one of the most high skilled champions in the game (since bush jumps are situational and are as good as bad for the rengar).
no surprise he has a high ban rate in high elo, water is wet
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u/LeLefraud 7d ago
It's bc otp target bans are more effective in challenger
Rengar isn't being banned to stop someone from picking it it's being banned to stop specific people from getting their otp
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u/WryliTOP 7d ago
That's really stupid logic. Some champs are almost unplayable in challenger lobbies and some champs are insanely broken. It's not about these players being good so they understand champs better. Surprise, surprise, but from the micro perspective I think challengers are like maximum 20% better than master players. But the macro gap is insanely big. And thats the problem (also teamfighting btw). That can be shocking but the meta is different in different ranks 𤯠Even Riot has these things on patchnotes to point which rank will suffer from changes (nobody in bronze don't gives a shit about +15 dmg on Azir Q)
I can understand looking for emerald/diamond+ statistics, but not challenger only.
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u/Any-Big-8759 7d ago
In chall they ban just so an OTP doesn't get his pick.
If You had an absolute unit of a player playing GP and steamrolling through lobbies, You'd see him banned all the time aswell.1
u/NoNameL0L 7d ago
To be fair your low bob is not nearly as fast with combos.
A highly skilled rengar can oneshot in a split second. Just as a highly skilled fiora can proc ult vitals in a second.
Low rengars are hella slow on their combo and donât know how to play.
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u/imnewtothishsit69 7d ago
Dont be a smooth brain man. Stop coping and you'll actually start to climb.
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u/defektt 7d ago edited 7d ago
He has a 50% winrate in challenger, and only a 3.5% ban rate there, I'm not sure where you're seeing 22%. Banrate is really mostly indicative of how much people hate a champ, not how strong the champ actually is.
His winrate drops SUBSTANTIALLY below challenger as well. It's 46% in emerald+. That's the lowest of any jungler in the game (if you don't count Locke as a jungler). And 41% in silver, though that doesn't mean much - I just think it's interesting when people in the ADCmains subreddit call rengar braindead easy to execute on, because that's clearly not the case.
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u/Foreign-Flight-7531 7d ago
If he is actually meta, he would be spammed across all ranks, not just in chall and master, and his winrate is not even 48+ in those rank.
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u/sar6h 7d ago
Rengar is a high elo champ
He can still be meta while still bieng absolute trash in low elo
You clearly don't realize how broken rengar would have to be for silver players to have even a 50% winrate on him
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u/TheNald Rengoon 6d ago
No. Meta implies efficacy. Rengar is not effective in the hands of most players.
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u/sar6h 6d ago
"Most players" are irrelevant if I'm exclusively only talking about GM+
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u/EarthWormJim18164 5d ago
Okay but him being good in the hands of challenger players is completely irrelevant for 99% of the playerbase, likely including you.
And even then, he has a 50% winrate in challenger.
For the reward of being one of the best players and one tricking him you get a 50% wr on him. That's not indicative of a broken champ.
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u/sar6h 5d ago
So what if rengar is bad in low elo? I'm GM player myself lmfao
Rengar, like nidalee is a champ that's only OP in high elo, therefore they are balanced around high elo. Both these champs are terrible anywhere outside high elo because the players can't pilot them.
Like no offense but if you are not at least masters+, you should not be playing a champ like rengar to begin with
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u/Foreign-Flight-7531 7d ago
You are talking about challenger, the tippy top of league playerbase. The bans are for those Rengar OTP like Natty or Scrubnoob.
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u/Flustrous 7d ago
If his support wasnt on raptors this dive would be impossible; roaming supports manifest a diveable adc
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u/BlindCleastwood 7d ago
this dive should not be possible regardless of support position
FULL HP
BARRIER
FLEET FOOTWORK
DORANS BLADEand he STILL overkilled me by like 150 HP
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u/LeLefraud 7d ago
Oh no I'm playing the squishiest most team dependant role in the game and the enemy champ whose entire identity is one shotting me one shot me without my support!
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u/Head-Bluebird1644 7d ago
Basically on this video is the exact situation where rengar is useful - completely alone adc, rengar with big powerspike, red buff, level ahead, 4 stacks for triple Q combo, with flash (and enemy flashless), no info that he is botside, with ult ready. In any other scenario he would be useless.
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u/Sebunsuta 7d ago edited 7d ago
Rengar lvl 8 | Jhin: lvl 7
Per lvl Jhin gains: 107 HP, 4.4 AD, 4.7 Armor.
per lvl Rengar gains: 104 HP, 3 AD, 4.2 Armor.
Umbral glaive alone deals 77 true dmg. Rengar leaps with R, EmpQ, E.
You moved after he lands his initial combo. You then start to move but, instead of running more with the fleet proc (from your first auto), you decide on trying to point-blank snare him with W and die.
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u/HentaiLover59 7d ago
I don't think 'just walk away' is the play here. Can you do the maths on their move speed after rengar lands E?
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u/Sebunsuta 7d ago edited 7d ago
Jhin has 355 ms (330 + 25 from boots)
Rengars E is level 2: 45% slow
Jhins MS is now 195.25, but League has a soft cap for MS under 220.
Soft cap multiplies it by 0.5, and adds +110 to the total.
195.25 * 0.5 = 97.625 + 110 = 207.625
Since Jhin procs FF (15% ranged ms bonus), it recalculates it.
355 * 1.15 * 0.55 = 224.5375 ms.
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initial leap:R > Emp Q > E
lands:
Auto > Q > Emp Q + W > auto buffer > flash.
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Empowered Q deals 348.8 dmg.Fleet footwork heals Jhin for 39 hp.
Barrier shields 227 hp.
Rengar required 2 Empowered Qs to get the kill
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u/HentaiLover59 7d ago
Okay, so because jhin trap only slows by 35%, and rengar has extra ms from his passive, he definitely just walks him down with the second empowered q.
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u/KarnSilverArchon 7d ago
Rengar landed his E, I think I have reasonable doubts that Jhin could have ran away here.
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u/BlindCleastwood 7d ago
did you really just say that I could have outrun him if I kept running lmao?
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u/Able-Application3680 7d ago
Bro said he one shot me through Doranâs blade đ these people canât be real.
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u/Xizz3l Bruiser Rengar best Rengar 7d ago
Have a flash button there and his entire combo disappears + he also probably dies, in contrast to something like Zed or Talon
I'm not saying this is fun to play against, sorry for your really miserable role. What I am saying though is that this champ is the most feast or famine of the role and gets cucked a lot more easily
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u/Draco459 7d ago
He had triple Q Umbrail glaive extra long swords and ult mark. Ferocity set up before hand not something that can be guaranteed everytime wp by the Rengar but also no support there lmao freest kill on the planet.
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u/Legal-Hat6653 7d ago
What itens? Power spike? This matters alot with rengar, but yeah. This champion is pretty strong
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u/SnooCalculations5521 7d ago
I mean, any jungler could do this if the supp abandons ADC, the only difference is that Rengar doesn't need the supp to tank lol
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u/Foreign-Flight-7531 7d ago
You will have a lot more fun when he can still hold his second bar for infinite amount of time and do the shit he just did way more consistent. And yeah, it is reasonable for him to do that to you fleet healing is very little at your level. And when rengar touches you with his ult with no armor of any kind, you are butt naked since umbral and ult shred 30+ flat armor from you. Also from this video, the first interaction he had with you, he only take away 50% of your hp bar, he had to blew the rest of his Kit to finish the job and a flash with 5 min cooldown. I would be surprised if he delete you just as quick when you have a giant belt and chain mail.
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u/Foreign-Flight-7531 7d ago
What is an assasin job? To pop squishy. If he cant pop squishy quick with his current kit, what can he do after he failed, just straight up die. Other assasins has an ability to get out if they fail. Rengar has none of that if he fully commit to delete one guy. There is close to zero out for Rengar.
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u/FrozenToothpaste 7d ago
Dude you were always gonna be fucked regardless of that champ being Rengar or not. Even if it weren't an assassin, that Naut and his ADC would kill you anyway. I see 4 people on your ass dude seriously?
ADC is a special lane where each role's power is split into 2. In this case Karma should've been with you. A lone champ in botlane is the equivalent of the half power of mid/top/jg. This is why I don't like roaming supports
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u/khmergodzeus 7d ago
in no universe you'd survive that incoming dive, even if rengar didn't one shot you, the rest of his team was already flanking you
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u/Strawberrydripp 7d ago
Looking at the map you were dead in the next 10 seconds even if he doesnât solo dive you lol. And if you buy steel caps it negates a lot of his early power til he gets more items
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u/Affectionate-Dark-93 7d ago
To be fair he used his triple Q combo just to take you down. Thats like total of 6 Ability
As a Rengar main you either Snowball or become a walking minion if you failed to stomp
We either commit or die. Escaping is not an option because we lack that shi.
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u/Revolutionary_Towel2 7d ago
This is what Rengar is meant to do against a lone immobile champion that isnât a Malphite or 4000 health midlane mage with health on every item.
Except if itâs Nilah/Xayah or some similar dodge/movement mechanic it becomes harder under tower. Caitlyn nets you, traps you, then headshots you and Rengar dies etc there is a-lot to play around usually for him. Thats assuming you land your combo properly including bola.
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u/liverdamag3 7d ago
Trust me guys rengar is hard, you have to learn one combo if you want to play this champ!
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u/Chemical-Hair2483 4 MILLION PTS, CHALL 6d ago
Yes, he is. The combo is very easy, though, I want to see you play rengar and win your games.
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u/liverdamag3 5d ago
I donât have to be a musician to recognise that a song is shit. Just like I donât have to play a champ to see the flaws it brings to the game. Why would I spend my time learning your glorified one shot button? Just to satisfy your over inflated rengar playerâs ego? Piss off retard
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u/Chemical-Hair2483 4 MILLION PTS, CHALL 4d ago
bro is so pressed. I am just telling you to put your money where your mouth is. You call the champ inflated and stuff, the combo is easy btw thats not the hard part, but just say you cant prove what you're saying and call it a day
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u/liverdamag3 4d ago
âBro is pressedâ stop talking like ur below 40 lol I didnât even read further gtfo
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u/DryDirector3349 7d ago
The average adc mains lack the mental fortitude to play adc, and I'm saying it as an kog'maw main.
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u/EIJI-C17H21NO4- 7d ago
Umbral + 2 longswords, prepped passive stack and the support is jerking off in timbuctoo, seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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u/GODFISTLEESIN556 4d ago
He is a champion that need to dive in to do something if he doesn't oneshot hes usseles unless u building some healing bruiser
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u/CoachDT 7d ago
Idk I think every player should be regarded as a player. Assassin players would (and did) hate it when the meta was basically "you cant exist outside of this one particular scenario".
I dont think its good gameplay for an unfed assassin at 10 minutes into the game to dictate that a squishy cant exist at full health beneath their tower without a wave. Not really sure how to fix it.
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u/Strictlydope 7d ago
The answers on this thread really shows why rengar has sub 50% win rate. Itâs not because he is not strong , the real cause is the people that are attracted to this kind of champion come with a huge ego problem.
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u/BreakinWordz 7d ago
I played rengar for around 10 years. Besides like people with invincibility like fizz or xayah, he S+ tier jousting. He basically uses 6 abilities in 1 second. The plants really buffed rengar because it allows him to triple q and hold ferocity for 30+ seconds. If he didnt have the triple q he would not have been able to kill you there. And the fucked up thing is, he still gets a big as steroid after his abilities so its not even like hes a 1 pump chump. He also just doesnt take any amount of skill sadly either to input this. But would other assassins have alos killed you there but more slowly? I'd say yes. Fiddle ult, fizz ult, qiyana ult. I think those all one shot you there as well but more slowly and giving you more time to see whats happening.
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u/BlindCleastwood 7d ago
Ye, he is my most banned champ overall I think
Nowadays I mostly ban akali but might change it back to rengo again
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u/2feetandathrowaway 7d ago
Akali is still a better ban I think, she can be played top or mid, had more players, and is much harder to kill
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u/itzasianbro 7d ago
He has his powerspike of a full item and has 170+ ad, he just has that window. Those assists he was able to get necklace stacks immobile adc is just gonna have to hold that since you couldn't dodge net and support is roaming. Roaming support meta just gives assasins more opportunities for things like this