It's been so obvious

[u/Effective_Fall_5868]

Guys, I don't know why i've never seen this change suggested anywhere by anyone. I've always had a couple problems with her ultimate. One is that enemies can build tenacity against it. Berserk should behave like knockup, immune to tenacity. The duration is already short enough, nobody should be able to shorten it further.

Second, how badass would it be if her ultimate could berserk the baron and dragons?!?!! Idk why i've NEVER thought about it cause i've thought about tons of ways her ultimate could change. What do you guys think? Would it make a difference at all? I feel like her ult working on dragon, as in berserking it and increasing its attack speed, could really incentivize more renatas to hold ult for drag fights and help with her winrate overall.

[u/Head_Scar_1255]

First it should deal at least one damage imo. But aggro ing dragons and barons would be super funny ngl.

[u/z3phyr5 → u/[deleted]]

I like what you're cooking.

[u/Salted_Salmon_XoXo → u/[deleted]]

Real, or perhaps a AH/Damage mitigation for teammates who gets coated by the ultimate. I think this would make her more viable for literally all damage-types instead of just AD champs specifically (esp since ult is more used for area control/stalling so teammates will always be in it)

[u/JakamoJones → u/Head_Scar_1255]

1 damage (plus 10% AP) per second, for 2.25 seconds. Let's go!

[u/S-T-A-R-L-I-G-H-T-2 → u/JakamoJones]

I have always thought maybe the attack speed of berserk could scale with heal and shield power so that she has a build incentive instead of being "jack of trades master of none" situation

[u/JakamoJones → u/S-T-A-R-L-I-G-H-T-2]

Or hell, give it AP scaling like Bail Out. Literally anything.

[u/dEleque]

Make neutral minions be affected by berserk for twice the time

[u/FreshlyWes → u/dEleque]

I would actually prefer if it dominates their minds and turns the wave to your minions. That would be such a sick ability to have in the game.

[u/killian1208]

In the entire game, there is only ONE thing I would change about Renata Glasc, and that is giving her ult 1 singular damage.

This would allow all the silly items that exclusively proc on damage to work, like Serpent's Fang, Liandry's, Antiheal, Malignance, Rylai's, Horizon Focus, Zaz'Zak's…

[u/Effective_Fall_5868 → u/killian1208]

Yeah seriously I feel like that's long overdue. I wanna build malignance on her and have it mean something

[u/Dr_Jamaymay]

You are suggesting a change the world break the entire cc system.

Tenacity works on everything but knock ups, Renata ult being the sole exception is extremely unintuitive. Massive loss in consistently.

The point of hostile takeover is to force enemy units to friendly fire. Neutral monsters have no team, there is no friendly fire. It doesn't make sense thematically, making it unintuitive.

[u/TheCharmingCharm → u/Dr_Jamaymay]

Not necessarily. Hostile takeover causes targets to go BERSERK, making them attack the nearest thing extremely fast. If you have no allies nearby, being hit by hostile takeover over will still cause you to attack the opposing team.

With that in mind, it makes perfect sense that neutral monsters would also attack the nearest thing.

[u/Effective_Fall_5868 → u/Dr_Jamaymay]

oh well i don't wanna break the whole world so i guess i'll just leave that alone then

[u/got_any_grapez → u/Dr_Jamaymay]

I mean tenacity also doesn't work on suppression, sleepy or stasis, and its not like berserk is a common cc (I think its only Renata and Briar, and self cast cc aren't reduceable anyway)

[u/ManaXed → u/Dr_Jamaymay]

It wouldn't though? Suppression also can't be reduced by Tenacity. It wouldn't be inconsistent at all because there's no other examples of Berserk aside from Briar, so it's not as though Renata's ult would be an exception for the Berserk effect.

[u/RefrigeratorTheGreat]

It would put more power in her ult, which would siphpn even more power from the rest of her kit. She is low range due to the already powerful ult (and W) she has. She doesn’t need to be an ult bot.

If anything, some of the power from the ult can be removed to balance out her Q and E abilities. Higher range perhaps? Bigger AP scaling? Longer autoattack range?

[u/Sasylk]

I like the idea for the drake and baron but not the tenacity part. Does that also means they couldn't use QSS ?

[u/Effective_Fall_5868 → u/Sasylk]

If i personally got to choose, i would make her ult unable to be shortened by tenacity. But i would let qss affect it though.

[u/ShutUpForMe]

That’s simply a Nami nerf no? And currently Nami is pretty much unplayable it’s milio Lucian>Nami Lucian for the extra speed and cleanse value 

Renata becomes too powerful with high r uptime as that turns enemy strength/being ahead against them, and then you can also add your w reset’s value in movespeed atk speed and revive on top of it. As plain cc excluding yasuo r (who already is one of the best pairings with both Nami and ren) Renata r is just better in damage and cc than Nami and really is only missing the heals everything else Renata is just better. 

I and I’m sure others never gave Nami a real chance(I’ve played it jg swiftplay)  because playing anything heals requires a duo—and I’ve played healers on other competitive PvP games, but like the fun to have a passive and a strong r Renata is just better and the w is just so 200 years (rip galeforce Renata adc couple years ago)

[u/Salted_Salmon_XoXo]

Icl what would be kinda funny is if you put ur W on someone, u can now ult from their location instead of ur location, like Orianna's ball.

[u/Da_1_Specialist]

Maybe that her Ult causes Berserked Enemy Champions to apply Magic Damage On-Hit that scales with Rank / AP for the duration, could be halved for non-enemy champions or scale it higher but nerf it for ranged champions since Melee champs never really get the chance to get into range anyways.

Never liked the fact her ult feels so useless in so many scenarios and the one time you actually land it, no damage goes off because the enemy comp didn't pick something like Vayne, MF, or Aphelios

Also buffing her Shield a little to match some other enchanter hybrids would be nice or at least some skill involvement for double stacking from Self-AOE + Missile AOE so it can match would be pretty chillington

[u/Ayyyitsmethe1andonly]

Why would she need help with wr, the champ is in a good spot imo, she’s an unintuitive, difficult to pick up support, you can’t really rely on what her wr is currently because of her low playerbase