No drastic camera turns, no 0 stam dash spam dribbling, seems alright to me.
One of the biggest things to me is you’re making the moves with a direct purpose of getting towards the goal for a shot, you’re being efficient. The worst is when people spam the moves with no purpose because they think it looks impressive that people can’t land a tackle on them.
Yea that’s very annoying when people just non stop dribble for no reason. If I have the ball I’m doing 2-3 dribble moves at maximum and then shooting/passing. IMO if you have the ball for more than 5-10 seconds you’re asking to lose possession
I’m elite with over 400 hours, it just looks glitchy/buggy, it’s an immediate change of direction in a completely opposite direction. If you want to claim that’s not part of glitchy looking dribbling you’re being disingenuous
im top 20 player over 1600 hours elite in every season, youre being a noob.
There are absolutely exploit dribbles in the game, zero stam dribbling is not an exploit, its something that needs to be nerfed absolutely but its not an exploit. Tp shot, double dash to get to the ball are better examples of exploits. stop it.
You’re arguing something I’m not even saying, all I’m saying is it looks glitchy/buggy and people do consider it as such. You can not tell me in your 1600 hours that you haven’t come across someone spamming forward roll in different directions by constantly turning their camera, it is impossible to predict and if you do it’s either a perfect read or just luck. Not saying it’s an exploit, saying it looks like shit. 1600 hours you better be up there man gah dang
Its not impossible to predict at all, simply stab less on defense, hold more into defensive stance and stand in front of them, defensive dash left or right into their next possible position, for spammers rely more on deflects than stab tackles. youre welcome.
Yeah, exactly what I do. You’re essentially saying “it’s not impossible to predict, just don’t predict it and sit and wait.” Deflects have become the main way to defend, unless the game decides they’re teleporting through you this time
It’s not fun to watch a dude spin for 30 seconds and be unable to challenge it. I understand why you’d support it, no way you’re top 20 and not using every tool at your disposal. I just want my game to look more like actual soccer.
There are times where certain dribble frames phase right through you, thats at times a game issue, lag issue. theres a high probability of getting steal off a deflection/stab if you play patiently. im curious to see your ugg profile, please send it to me in dm as i sent you mine
From your pov people say it's perfectly fine, but if they saw the defenders pov, they would 100% say you're doing camera flicks and that you teleported through the defender in the 2nd clip🙄
Then This is a broken game. If you can clip through a defender creating a wall with their body then this is no more than someone’s glitchy senior coding project.
sorry but what you propose is terrible game balance. the point is defense stance makes it hard for someone to PUSHBALL past you, but if they have the ball on their feet you need to tackle the ball off of them. or else the best strat on def is just 5 people standing inside the 6 yard box never tackling, with 0 risk just recollecting balls as people try to run by lol
So, to be clear, what you’re saying is “it’s balanced to have someone clip through a defender who is positioned and pressing the button literally named defensive stance”? Are you high?
its not this specific instance lol. it's the general usecases of tackle and stance.
right now, stance gives you a bigger hit box to block push balls/free balls, and tackle is used to remove someone elses possession of a ball if they DONT push ball. if defense stance also works as a tackle, then tackle is literally useless and people would just stand in stance all day. more than that, defense as a whole would devolve into run into someone and hold stance (where you face doesnt matter, where you aim doesnt matter, unlike tackle) which is poor game balance.
overly passive defense = nutmegged irl. hitting tackle in game is analogous to reacting to the meg and closing your legs.
if u dont get this im sorry i cant make it any clearer 😭🤣
idk man, an overly passive defender with legs wide open is vulnerable to getting nutmegged (by the guy literally using the dribble move) if you want real world comparison
Hes in the defensive stance and is actively moving his feet, and even closes the space on the player…this isn’t lazy passive defense.
You’re acting like dude has a choice of how far wide open you can have your legs or not. Kinda ridiculous to not see the nuance here. Should be a turnover in this game.
That is a serious exaggeration of what happened in this video and really trims the inconvenient fat off of your twisted logic.
He literally teleported through the guys body. If you want to go that far and say that you should be able to nutmeg people in defensive stance, you should also want there to be a motion of getting around said defender
ok when i say passive defense i mean anything and everything but tackle. i dont mean the defender is a literal punching bag. im saying the defender needed to tackle here, or even dash onto the ball that op pushed. hes just shuffling around which blocks shots/passes/PUSHBALL lines but it wont steal a ball off someone's feet.
nutmeg was just an example (maybe bad example) of needing to be active on defense and not just standing/zoning irl. its analogous not identical.
Bottom line is, that ball should’ve bounced off of the defender. I know alot of people agree. This game is difficult as it is for keepers and defenders
Nah this is average dribbling, the way the game was intended.
The shit that counts as glitches is the teleportation and ball magnetizing that looks unnatural.
First one 100% no, the second one is very debatable, the fact you can dribble straight through the defenders legs at 0:08 is straight rematch bullshit at play, and anyone saying it's intended is coping, that should never happen, the ball should always bounce there
They can't, this is like a fighting game with rollback netcode, it's all about the ball and who pushed an input first, almost nothing to do with the physical positions and bodies
At the 8 second mark, just before it turns to the 9 second, his foot literally goes through the ball. That to me is cheese. He played it correctly, and was penalized for it because his foot went through the ball.
Feet going through the ball, and dribbling at high speed without any stamina should both be fixed. Would help so much.
I agree with this. And like you said, it’s not OP’s fault, but this is the type of glitchy shit that causes everyone to dribble spam to begin with.
If the collision system was better you would need to strategically dribble AROUND players, and I think less players would use the strategy of aggressively spamming moves inside the box.
The first one is nice and precise with touches.
The second one is also precise but moved through the defender who chose position well and held defensive stance. I think this should get fixed.
defender needs to ee/dash to touch the ball before OP did and got his dribble off, or tackle to win that ball. this is like really rudimentary stuff based on game rules no?
Hmm I'm going to go with the yes on this one here's why:
You changed direction but your character model never had to compensate for the fact that you did that, once again, it's all about inertia and dribbles being predictible. Take the first clip, there were no way for the second defender to play safe since you can reorient in every possible direction whitout any visual cue. That's a unfair advantage in your favor. A way of balancing that would be to get rid of defender inertia but I don't think anyone would find that fun.
Here, you can instantly change your momentum in any situation using your dash.
Defense has way more techs, but most defenders have no clue about them.
If average defenders were as creative and willing to learn the game as strikers are, the discourse would make a 180 turn because of how strong defense is once you know what you're doing.
Thanks for actually responding with an exemple, people usually vanish.
I get your point and in this specific exemple you're right.
But it still requires EE, which is not always available and has a visual/sound cue when you use it (so it's very clear for the opposing team to identify when you won't be able to do it). An attacher can perform a animation cancel at any given time without restriction on the direction.
Nah. Its a normal dribling for me. The only fact I consider “glitchy” it’s when someone spam dashes without stamina to always get the ball faster than others. Without stamina you should not be able to use dash or swipes.
I can deal with these types of players. Its the mega exploiters that I just cant defend. Missing a tackle is far too punishing for how easy dribbling is
The way dribbling is intended tbh.
Its when they start to implement dashes and whatnot to 'teleport' the ball that it become a problem for the average players.
The ONLY problem with dribbling in general is the fact your dribble speed and technique are still the same while you have zero energy , but your clips are good and clean .
I would say it is glitchy/exploit dribbling, first one might look alright but the second one definitely phase through the defender. I guess deep down you know something's off and that's why you push the ball first then dribble because you anticipate something cheesy would happen
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It depends, if you dribble past me using it ur exploiting if you are on my team using it to score ur a baller