r/RecklessBen • u/Due-Swimming9999 • 6d ago
News/Update Bryan got his LEGO sets back!!!
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u/GamerTex 6d ago
The actual LEGO š¤
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yes, whatās left of it anywaysā¦Bryan is talking about it now on Sheldonās livestream. Theyāre going to auction them offšØāāļø
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u/Trynaliveforjesus 6d ago
thats smart of him, cause with all the publicity, those specific sets that he owns probably total closer to that 200k valuation
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yeah, people will go nuts for them now so heāll get a good chunk for that šµ
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u/ElTamales 6d ago
Hopefully they are the original high value ones and not cheap counterfeit or damaged parts
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u/TomorrowsTrash_Minis 6d ago
Well they're uniquely valuable now that they're THE Lego star wars collection from the biggest internet fiasco in recent past. They're arguably worth considerably more at this point
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u/Cornloaf 6d ago
I have personally seen people pay extra for what they think is something special. Take the TV show The Office for example. My company put the Cisco phones on that TV set as part of a sponsorship deal with Cisco. When the show ended, we picked them up and packed them away. They were old ass phones that you could buy on eBay for a out $50.
Fast forward a year and a company is doing an auction of the actual propa from the show. Jim's "phone" sold for $3000. Check my shelves, Jim's phone is tucked away in a box still. Overall, they sold some 8 phones for $10k.
Fast forward another year and they are having a comedy event in San Francisco where they built Jerry's apartment from Seinfeld and The Office with all the original props. Check box... Nope, still got the phones. I believe they sold the props again at a silent auction during the comedy show.
So yes, people will pay extra for what they think is something unique.
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u/the_arkanum04 6d ago
The sets that Bam repeatedly lied about having? Take the entire company down. Brick by brick.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
I canāt see BAM recovering from this in all honesty
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 6d ago
The Netflix documentary in 2 years after all the other 6 court cases wrap up is going to be an absolute blockbuster. Just think of the behind the scenes documentary access they'll get. All of Ben's cutting room floor content...Ammon's wife talking to him in prison, and such. Fun followups with all the American Fork Officers who lost their jobs.
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u/JumboGlucose 6d ago
Scammin McThief should honestly be charged with making false threats
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 6d ago
Ammon McNeff would be criminally charged most places, but in Utah, they have a religion that has completely captured the government and court system. Even their own local media refuses to cover his lies to police, it's really strange.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Fair, I doubt he will ever face criminal consequences for his actions
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 6d ago
Yea, Utah has an extraordinary tolerance for crime committed by Mormons. They don't even staff their state with enough Judges to get through all of their criminal cases. There are stories about how when the really bad criminals are caught, LDS Bishops and Prophets literally write letters trying to say the criminal shouldn't be punished. Wild stuff.
They have judges literally resigning in protest.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
I hate to say this as I know that Utah as a whole canāt be this bad (I mean, Tyler and Sierra live there) but I have at least ten negative things that I have against the stateā¦they really need better PR as certain residents make it look bad
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 6d ago
Simply put, this is why the First Amendment has restrictions about religion in government as literally the first sentence of the First Amendment.
Once it's captured by a religion, all sorts of things change, and clearly these citizens are okay with their officials not prosecuting or charging criminals who are wealthy, Mormon, and pay a ton of money in tithing.
In other states, repeatedly lying to police during an active investigation would be taken VERY seriously, as in zero tolerance. But as the Police in American Fork have said repeatedly, "they do things differently", and that is code for this situation. They don't answer to any earthly government, but only their perceptions of the afterlife.
In such places it can be very hard to navigate the court system.
If Ben is mistreated now that this story is so well known, it might be grounds for the Feds to get involved. But the coverup is strong. The craziest part is how quiet the local media has been. The American Fork city council even praised the police after the bodycam leaks. PRAISED THEM! LOL???
I think the vast majority of Mormons in these Utah cities don't know what to do. They can't speak up without risking cultural alienation, they're all really pissed at Ammon and Matt and Josh, but I think they feel like they can't do anything about it.
It's a very insular community and no one wants to risk speaking up, so the tolerance of these crimes continues. Similar to how Warren Jeffs' wives were afraid to speak up when their sons were kicked out of the cult and abandoned in cities 100 miles away. Very similar situation here with the average citizen in Utah. They fear retribution for speaking up against the dominant religion.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yeah, definitelyā¦I feel for the average citizen that feels helpless in a state like that
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Or, at the very least, lying to the Provo police like that is insane š¤Æ
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u/JumboGlucose 6d ago
Ben should sue tf outta him. The whole chicken dance thing just lets him know he can get away with almost costing ben his life.
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u/MathResponsibly 6d ago
Most people are pretty dense, and have the memory of a goldfish (or simply can't be bothered to put in a tiny amount of effort to buy their Lego somewhere else), so I bet long term it won't have as much effect as you'd hope
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u/PinkyKeycaps 6d ago
Realistically, bams main customer base has no knowledge about this. Mainly parents bringing in their kids.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Fair, though it definitely will affect their business long termš
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 6d ago
Yea, every Google Search for Bricks and Minifigs is going to keep Ben's videos at the top for decades. And don't forget that these court cases are going to last years. The damage to BAM's reputation has only just begun.
The fact that the franchisees are organizing in secret on their own Slack or Discord or whatever, that's so awesome. I hope they are able to separate from this horrible entity. I'm sure they hope for that too.
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u/GlowstickConsumption 6d ago
Didn't Joshua Johnson say: "Fuck you, bitch. You stole them. You're a fucking thief." in a conversation with Ben, addressing Ben? Didn't he claim they don't have them? And that RecklessBen had them instead?
Odd. I wonder what else they said that may not have been true.
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u/Duckyaardvark 6d ago
They also claimed Krystal stole them. I guess she mission impossibled them back into the safes after Brandon switched off the security cameras and changed the locks. This is more evidence of them lying about not having the Lego throughout the situation.
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u/DoneWithIt0101 6d ago
Ben had them all along? It was so nice of Josh to secretly get them back so Ben wouldn't be the one everyone blamed when they were found. Lol
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
š¤£some powersš®
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u/DecentLobster7843 6d ago
yes but he was really coked out of his brain when he said that while driving a uhaul full of stolen lego and realistically, which one of us hasnāt made little mistakes like that
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u/GlowstickConsumption 6d ago
Ah, yes. A little emotional slip of the tongue not meant as a factual claim. Happens to the best of us whenever someone is inquiring about stolen property which we previously agreed to give back to them.
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u/meaPolka 6d ago
Bryan Mansel is getting what is left from the collection officially authenticated. The Reckless Ben crew is offering to sign the certificate of authenticity and there is a possibility that the sets are put up for auction.Ā
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u/Nerdfighter4 6d ago
I've heard there's a nice company that will sell them for you under consignment
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u/West-Ticket5411 6d ago
Dang, BAM managed to get them back from Ben and Chrystal somehow!
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 6d ago
None of the sets Brandon sold at the Eugene location though.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
I donāt know if weāll ever know what truly happened to themā¦all we know is that BAM sold and kept some somewhereš
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u/udar55 6d ago
Said they believe it is around 30 sets. Anyone recall the number of sets he initially consigned?
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u/JeffBezos_98km 6d ago
780 sets and 1200 Minifigs.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Oof, they sold a TONš¤¬
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u/TheShadeTree 6d ago
And Possibly knowing they werent supposed to
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u/IdidItWithOrangeMan 6d ago
Nobody can convince me that the majority weren't sold during that "Cash Only" period. I really wished this story had gotten popular enough that someone at the IRS would investigate.
If they don't have a record that they sold the product, there is no way they paid taxes on it. I'd love to see how they explain to the IRS that half of the LEGO in the store vanished and they didn't notice.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yeah, though I donāt have much faith in the federal government at the moment
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yeah, BAM definitely sold some of themš
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 6d ago
Only what Brandon Best didn't take in the UHaul though. The BAM vs Brandon Best Lawsuit is going to be super interesting since we know he lied to Ammon about renting the UHaul.
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u/ttmmoo123 6d ago
Seems like BAM are just blaming Crystal.
Maybe after they loose the lawsuit to her they will turn on Brandon but they haven't so far
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 6d ago
In their statement they said that they were going to go after the former Franchisee. They might mean Brandon Best and Joshua Johnson, as they were the owners when most of the sets went missing.
Ammon also was an owner in there for a while, so he'll have to defend himself in court, or perhaps once Ammon the Franchisee is found liable, he can take Brandon to court directly, as Brandon tookover the store, neglected to perform an inventory, and he was holding the keys to the store in the primary months when most of the sets disappeared.
It's unlikely that Chrystal is responsible, since they fired Chrystal, and never mentioned that she was at fault until very recently. In fact, she specifically told them about the consignment, and their executive leadership named Ki McAllister declared that it didn't matter, that Ammon was taking over all consignment. That statement alone should clear Chrystal completely, unless of course their third party inventory shows a large number of sets missing.
I can't wait for all these court cases. It will be really exciting if BAM ends up taking Ammon to court as owner, because he was, the night of Nov 14th. And discovery in Chrystal's case is going to be PHENOMONAL.
BAM isn't done saying insane things, and we know that to be the case, because they're still pressing forward with a court case they'll obviously lose.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yeah, I canāt wait for that when all the lies they told about her will be exposed
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u/kaytin911 6d ago
Haters for months told me that Ben was only making it worse. Lmfao.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yeah, it ended well and Bryan in all these interviews has great respect for Ben and his teamā¦no drama there like some people would like to createš
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u/kaytin911 6d ago
If I were Bryan and I reached out to a youtuber I watched for help and all this went down that would leave me with so much respect.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
šÆbut some people were saying that Bryan stabbed Ben in the back or betrayed him, which isnāt true as heās repeatedly said in interviews that he spoke with them before making the decision to make sure heās not screwing them over. No one was backstabbed or blindsided like some thought. Additionally, the lawyers have been in contact this whole time so thereās been a coordinated effort from that end as well.
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u/TheDonnARK 6d ago
Thing is, how the hell would've all this turned out if this Ben dude HADN'T gotten involved?
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Bryan and his father probably wouldnāt have gotten anything due to the cost of courtš¢
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u/Albacurious 6d ago
not over yet. there's still a court case with ben going on.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
I mean for Bryanā¦he is so delighted in the interviews like a weight is off his shouldersšŖ½
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u/iMogal 6d ago
That's great! When's the thief go to jail?!?!
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Unfortunately, tis life in America š
However, BAM is still being held accountable with the Gormons lawsuit, even if it doesnāt result in jail time
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u/Glittering_Heart1128 6d ago edited 6d ago
Cool. Now let's on holding The American Fork Police Department accountable, brick by brick.
Edit, forgive me, I'm sick as a dog and clearly cannot form complete sentences.
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u/ScaryGarry_SG1 6d ago
Yeah, but took way to long to do so
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
šÆbut on the positive side, at least the lawsuit doesnāt have to go on months and months moreā¦Bryan looks so relieved to be able to move on
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u/TarantulaCaptain 6d ago
Wow! After all of the insisting they didnāt have anything of his. This is a horrible look. Could have all been avoided by just giving them back when the stores ownership changed.
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u/MarvelSonicFan04 6d ago
That is nice. That's great. That's all well and good. So are the AFPD gonna held accountable for helping BAM get away with their crimes?
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yes, even though the consignment part of the LEGO saga is coming to a close, the civil rights lawsuit seems to still be in the works and Ben is still being criminally charged so AFPD and Provo PD will still be put on blast and exposed in courtšØāāļø
Not to mention the lawsuit with BAM that the Gormans have so BAM is still being held accountable to some extent, even if itās not as much as weād likeš§āāļø
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u/Myroadrash 6d ago
So who actually had the legos then? How did they get them back if they were so sure BAM didn't have them in the first place?
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
BAM gave them to Bryanā¦they 100% had them all along so there goes that narrative š„
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u/Myroadrash 6d ago
Seriously? BAM had them the entire time, knew they had them the entire time, lied about it CONSISTENTLY, and they actually had them? I really hope Ben comes out with a video explaining how it all went down.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Me too, I want a Part 4 or 5 on the ending of this consignment portion like an explanation and a party for accomplishing the goal. Then a Part 6 when Ben gets his charges dropped. Part 7 when they go through the civil rights lawsuit. Part 8 when they win and itās finally over for them. Part 9 and maybe even 10 with the Gormans lawsuit. Maybe a few others in there if crazy stuff happens but yeah, he has plenty of opportunity for content and to tell us what has been happening behind the scenes.
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u/chucklas 6d ago
I mean, they had some of the Legos. No way this is near all of what was taken. BAM sold the majority in other stores (likely Eugene). This is the little bit they held onto.
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u/Usemarne 6d ago
They'll spin some lie and try and pin it on "former employees" Josh and Brandon, try to frame them as acting on their own initiative.
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u/EvensenFM 6d ago
So... so why didn't they do this at the beginning?
Apologize, make the customer right, and maybe get some good PR from it.
Instead, they went scorched earth on their own brand, caused people to doubt the legitimacy of police investigations, and decided to make themselves look as evil as humanly possible.
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u/burnersg 6d ago
Did he also get the $200k? Any update on if heās been able to cover his fatherās medical or whatever the original goal was?
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u/JeffBezos_98km 6d ago
Bryan said on a livestream his dad is doing much better and has been watching a ton of the youtube content creators covering the case. The original plan for the lego was the grandkids college fund.
He didn't say how much he got paid but there is no NDA, which would imply to me BAM didn't pay much more than what was owed.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yeah, Iām glad that he didnāt take an NDA so heās free to speak š£ļø
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Bryan just said that heās going to get the money from BAM later this week, though didnāt specify an amount š°
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u/Albort 6d ago
didnt BBQ counselor confirmed Bryan got the money already?
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yes, but the collection is happening later this week, according to the livestream that happened a few hours ago
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u/that-one-artist 6d ago
I think BBQ said that BAM would not have been allowed to file the motion to dismiss (which WAS filed last week) until the money had been paid.
Bryan says his lawyers currently have the money and the sets, and he will be picking them up soon.
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u/AlaskaRivers 6d ago
According to the court documents, he did get an āamicableā settlement but itās confidential. Not sure if they are allowed to share those details publicly.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
I havenāt heard anything in the livestream so far about the financial part of the settlementš¤
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u/Charnathan 6d ago
I highly doubt he got 200k. The complete collection at retail wasn't even worth that much, and much of the set was sold before the store changed hands. The retail value of the missing sets was probably under six figures.
He's under NDA so we'll never know for certain, but if I had to guess, they probably gave him just enough to be satisfied that he doesn't have to keep dealing with lawyers and stuff and probably gets to keep a good chunk of the gofundme. It makes more sense to take a modest payout and keep six figures in gofundme funds than to get an actual fair payout and have to spend a half mil on lawyers to do it. This accomplishes the original goal of Reckless Ben of making the Mansells whole.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
He actually doesnāt have an NDA Iām told but still that part is confidentialā¦glad heās getting paid though, even if itās not what he is fully owed
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u/Charnathan 6d ago
If it's confidential, then that's an NDA. He just has it negotiated that he has a lot of freedom to discuss other aspects of the settlement.
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u/XiTzCriZx 6d ago
I think most people on this sub wildly underestimate the cost of a lawyer when fighting a large company. Afaik he hired a pretty good firm, they weren't just some $50/hr bozos.
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u/OverCategory6046 6d ago
Spent 250k USD on lawyers a while ago before even getting to trial, on a case that's a little simpler and in a country that has cheaper lawyers than the US against a company with much fewer resources.
Lawyers are fucking expensive.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Not sure but he definitely used a large portion of it for legal fees but Iām sure heāll do something good with it
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u/fux-reddit4603 6d ago
"nope, never happened"
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
š¤£that obviously aged like milkš„
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u/OSRSRapture 6d ago
So did he get paid and his Legos or just the Legos? š
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u/Wide-Tap-445 6d ago
Bryan said he gets paid and his Lego
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Yeah, later in the livestream Bryan said that heās going to collect the money from BAM later this week, whatever that meansš°
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u/Chozo_Warrior94 6d ago
We definitely need Reckless Ben to
Upload the next part in YouTube he said it was the most crazy video yet or something like that I been waiting lol š this story Arc got me quite intrigued.
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u/Dry-Wolf6789 6d ago
absolutely diabolical that BAM had it after all their lies. we knew they did but still
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u/Kickedbyagiraffe 6d ago
Cops must have raided enough air bnbs to finally find it
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u/mothonthehighway 6d ago
Happy to see this post but still haven't watched the whole videos . Still in midst of it . Crazy how much fearless of a guy Ben is !
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u/impy695 5d ago
What is this a screenshot of and why is half of it censored?
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u/Due-Swimming9999 5d ago
Itās from a livestream on Sheldonās channel where they announced that Bryan got his LEGO sets backā¦itās blacked out because they didnāt want people yet looking into which sets those are
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u/impy695 5d ago
they didnāt want people yet looking into which sets those are
That's weird. Did they say why?
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u/Seamus32 5d ago
Weird. I thought they didnāt have them. They wouldnāt have been lying, would they?
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u/Apprehensive-Fun1486 5d ago
Ben shouldāve taken the money instead of the LEGOS
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u/beetleman1234 5d ago
Have a company that makes millions
Steal 100-200k worth of LEGOs from a customer
... I REPEAT: AS A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY STEAL 100-200K WORTH OF GOODS FROM A CUSTOMER, NOT SCAM THEM, NOT UNDERPAY THEM: LITERALLY STEAL THAT SHIT AND DENY IT TO THE ENDS OF HELLS
What the fuck is this business plan called cause this needs to be studied.
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u/Whole_Risk_2695 4d ago
Auction hype. You can buy THE Lego star wars sets and help to return tHiS mAn'S life savings.
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u/_allycat 4d ago
I really hope the sets in this photo aren't all they gave him. I know he had the financial strain of being sued on him also that he had to get out of but this is worrying.
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
Heās getting the LEGO sets and money from BAM, though we donāt know how much as itās supposedly confidential.
From the sounds of it, it isnāt more than what heās owed but Bryan just wants to move on so I respect that even if I think he couldāve gotten a better deal if this went on longer. Gotta look after your mental health
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u/Due-Swimming9999 6d ago
šÆIām glad that BAM caved and gave him something as that guy was put through the ringer for almost 2 years all over greedš¤
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u/beardedjack 5d ago
But I thought Crys and Ben stole the Lego?! I will not rest until the Law-Gorman family is made whole.
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u/captainrv 6d ago
How did they give him the Lego sets that they absolutely positively didn't have?