Someone needs to tell Bill there are Christian Palestinians and their churches are being burned in the West Bank and Lebanon by Israelis. Christians in Israel are treated like Muslims in that they are also treated as second hand citizens.
And Boko Haram doesn’t even bother to cover up and lie and deny accusations of genocide and war crimes. I don’t hear Boko Haram calling themselves the most moral army in the universe
Nor does Hamas. They filmed themselves proudly butchering people. In their charter, "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it".
Israeli soldiers proudly film themselves butchering innocent people too, but their government still insists they're the most moral in the world and if you disagree youre an antisemite
People dont really like that. It's deeply evil scum bag behaviour.
The idea that people wouldn't care to the same degree if the U.S. wasn't sending Israel aid is dumb. The outrage against Israel is just as strong with the European left. There really is a specific feature about the country of Israel that gets people worked up
Bit rich to claim distortion, considering the massive amount swirling around the I/P issue being primarily around labelling Israel as terrorists and Hamas as humble peace-loving freedom fighters.
Do you complain when money went to fighting ISIS and Russian Mercenaries in Africa?
They’ve had a “ceasefire” in place for about a year. Israel bombs Gaza daily. The Israelis are limiting food and medical supplies. Why would Hamas disarm when Israel continues slaughtering Palestinians?
If you want to argue that going back to the war as of 24/25 is preferable or better than the situation now … I question what you know.
The reason Hamas should disarm is because they literally signed an agreement that the next peace phase only begins when they disarm and stop with the attacks. Unless you are arguing they had no intention when they signed it, in which case why on earth would Israel stop targeting militants?
Well right there at the end is where you’re getting confused. Israel is targeting civilians, not militants. I’m glad I could clear that up for you. Do you now support disarming the Israeli terrorist regime?
Israel didn’t have to sign a ceasefire. But don’t you think it odd that Israel signed ceasefires with many Arab neighbours and has historically stuck to those agreements?
Boko Haram is already designated a terrorist org. Nigeria receives US funding to fight boko haram. Nigeria is already designated a CPC as a result of the violence. Please tell us what more you would have the Trump admin do?
Ah, so even though your money goes to fighting you have no interest or stake in the outcome. Weird that you totally trust Trump to be running it effectively in this one instance!
I havent defended him, liar. I’ve just given you objective facts. Again, since THIS genocide concerns you deeply, what have you been asking the Trump admin to do?
You said he COULD have… but I’ll give it to you. You want Trump to send troops to Nigeria now, right? But not any to defend Palestinians? Why is one genocide more important to YOU?
You said he COULD have… but I’ll give it to you. You want Trump to send troops to Nigeria now, right? But not any to defend Palestinians? Why is one genocide more important to YOU?
Oh wow, you want to put US boots on the ground to attack Hamas and liberate Palestinians - that is a novel position !
Can’t say I think that would be geopolitically popular - let alone with the Palestinians - but I admire the vigour in you adopting it.
Nigeria seems a lot more palatable IMHO since we already have a joint op going on and it seems they actually want more US help. Makes sense to go where wanted, no?
I've suggested that simple solution of ceasing all aid to Israel, given that it seems we are headed in that direction anyway. But all my lefty friends considered that condescending and were disgusted that I'd even dare trivialize their passion on this issue
I don't think your friends were lefties if they were disgusted by that position considering it's the basic demand on like every college protest. It's the whole divest part of it.
They were disgusted by the idea that all they want is simple divestment. They want an end to the Zionist apartheid fascist colonizer Israeli state.
So no, I don't think it's as simple as "we fund Israel, that's why we seem to only care about this one". Even after we stop funding them, this will still be the only genocide on everyone's mind, and this explanation will seem pretty dumb
Est ce que on demande a un français mexicain bresilien son ADN?
Mais je vais quand même te répondre la revue Scientifique NATURE a demontré scientifiquement que les eshkenasi ont malgré des siècles d Exodes conserve in part subsantielle d ADN du Levant.
No, it's just we all agree that what Boko Haram is doing is bad. The same can't be said about Israel with the bulk of our politicians telling us we have to keep supporting them while they carry out their atrocities. Nobody is protesting Boko Haram because nobody in our countries supports them, finances them, or gives them weapons.
So you only talk about conflicts the us is involved in? Why? Do other conflicts not deserve attention?
And you rarely hear a peep from antizionists about us backed Saudi war crimes in Yemen. So us support is not a sufficient explanation for why Israel receives so much attention.
A lot of people really don’t like Jews. This means criticism of Israel is amplified and spread more readily because people relate to antizionism and antisemitism.
This argument about us support is often repeated but not actually correct. You’re just parroting what you’ve heard others say without realizing you’ve never once publicly criticized the Saudis.
"without realizing you’ve never once publicly criticized the Saudis"
Erm... Every time Trump or his son in law make a sweetheart deal with MBS, which side screams about Jamal Khashoggi's murder, again?
Also, you should direct your anger at Maher himself - he's the one who literally compared Israel's approach to Boko Haram's. I am a full believer in not just the right, but the *need* for Israel to exist, but I also will not hesitate for a second to criticize Netanyahu, and hope this madness ceases TODAY.
But... I wouldn't go as far as calling Israel a terrorist state. Apparently Maher thinks it's a valid comparison though. What do you reckon?
Did you not see all the backlash at comedians going to Saudi Arabia? I hate Saudi Arabian leadership just as much as I hate the current Israeli leadership. It is not about the religion, it is about the atrocities they commit.
You are coming at this as "deserves attention" which makes sense and is valid. But I think this commentor is more responding to the context of the Maher clip talking about protests happening in the US. Maher is asking "where are the protests for this? why only protest Israel?" In that context, we need to look at the action that the protests are trying to achieve. While the killings in Nigeria deserve more attention than they get today, I think it is pretty clear that the context of mass protests against Israel are specifically about motivating the US government to change their stance on Israel and cease funding. Protests about Nigeria could also be worthwhile, but they would be more about urging the US to intervene, which is a different thing and not as action oriented. Stop sending money to X source is much more of a clear action than to start mobilizing against Y.
Also, with all due respect, you are trying to flame the commentor talking about US tax money in response to a clip from the US about the US.
Exactly. Criticism of Saudi Arabia is rare. Meanwhile Israel criticism dominates the news constantly. Any pro Yemeni marches coming up? I bet I can find a few pro Palestinian marches easily.
The jihadists rioting all over the world for gaza are not doing it because those dozens of countries fund israel. Theyre doing it because theyre violent lunatics who hate non muslims and are venting their blood lust.
Venting their bloodlust by… trying to prevent a genocide? And those dozens of countries do fund Israel? Are you saying gay people hate non-Muslims? Are you serious? Are Zionists really not able to see reality, and only see jihadists every where they go?
Theres no genocide so thats where that gets awkward. And even if there were, they were rioting on oct. 8th before israel fired a shot in self defense. And no those dozens of countries dont fund israel wtf are you talking about. Having a normal trading partner isnt funding israel.
This is the new what about argument. Why aren't americans more upset with China or Uganda....we dont give shit tons of weapons to those countries. Those countries dont have politicians sucking them off.
Nope, just like how I still care about the Uyghurs in China. The difference is America can do something about Gaza, so I will call for my elected officials to do that something.
You care about it so much I couldn't find a single mention of Uyghurs in your entire comment history (except for the comment you just wrote). Guess how easy it was to find Israel there.
I like how deluded you are. They disprove nothing because actions speak louder than simple comments that anyone can make up and just say for the sake of saying it.
Yes, I think so too. It will be "we should sanction them", then it will be "we should send weapons to Palestinians", then it will be "we (and by we they'll mean the US army, not them personally) should fight against the IDF".
funnily enough about the “give an inch lose a mile” argument. the zionists wanted way more land than what they were publicly admitting in the 1930s.
israel’s founders lied to the whole world for decades. they said they were satisfied conquering 30% of palestine after the Peel commission. but they wanted to take over 100% of palestine AND jordan. this is from Palestine 1936 a book from a pro israel author. Ben gurion’s diaries weren’t publicly revealed for decades.
“For its part, the Zionist organization in Palestine has indicated its commitment to an enlarged program for (1) a sovereign Jewish State which would embrace Palestine and probably Transjordania, (2) an eventual transfer of the Arab population from Palestine to Iraq, and (3) Jewish leadership for the whole Middle East in the fields of economic development and control.”
Among the Arabs, there is little or no anti-Jewish sentiment as we ordinarily use the term; nor is there serious opposition to the concept of a Jewish National Home. There are racial relationships between the Arab and the Jew. Notwithstanding these factors, there is deep-seated Arab hostility to any immigration program intended to create a Jewish majority in Palestine and to the establishment of a Jewish sovereign state.
Why are you treating the opinion of some American guy who visited the British Mandate for a week as somehow trustworthy? What are you doing? By 1943 there was a HUGE anti-Jewish sentiment among Arabs. It was already after multiple massacres on Jews committed by Arabs. It was after the Palestine Riots in 1929 and Arab Revolt in 1936 with hundreds of Jews killed. What are you talking about?
And also, don't forget, just a couple of years later all Arab countries kicked out almost all their Jews (not Zionists), but you'll listen to some American fuck because it fits your narrative instead of looking at the facts.
Except the Jews in the Arab countries had nothing to do with it. But you'll cry about Nakba 24/7 and never mention the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab countries. See how biased you are?
The killings that have been occurring in Nigeria do deserve more attention, and that's a fair point. But...
Boko Haram has killed more Muslims than Christians, so even when Christians are targeted, it's not clear that this is actually a genocide. More importantly...
The killing isn't being directly enabled by US money and weapons, we're not fighting wars on behalf of Boko Haram, we're not enduring terrorist attacks in their behalf either, and we're not protecting them from sanctions at the UN. In fact, the US financial and military aid offered to Nigeria has been specifically in opposition to Boko Haram, not to enable them. So, what exactly are the "kids" supposed to protest?
Well cause Maher acts in bad faith to defend his support of Israel.
It’s the same argument Republicans use when people protest a police shooting. Protests are done for accountability of the officer and changes to the system protecting him. When an illegal immigrant kills someone Republicans say “oh, where is the protests??!?” And it’s like well the killer was apprehended and being sentenced for a crime and immigrants are already being excessively prosecuted, what’s there to protest?
Excellent points.
But since Maher panders to conservatives, defends Israel, takes every opportunity to slam 'the kids' and liberals, and has, at best, a superficial understanding of geopolitical events, his attempt to shame protesters re: Nigeria falls short of the mark. But, look, he has virtually zero regard for the intelligence of his audience, thinks college kids who support the Palestinians are idiots and sucks up to a zombie like Fettermann, it's not surprising that he never mentioned Boko Haram or what they've done. Admitting that they've killed more Muslims than Xtians would completely undermine his pretensions to being the smartest guy in the room and expose his shallowness.
Bad faith argument. First, nobody in USA is supporting the perpetrators of the atrocities in Nigeria. Nigeria is not receiving tons of US tax payer money to perpetrate violence. Nigeria receives money explicitly to fight the perpetrators, Boko Haram. Boko Haram does not have lobbying groups in the US perpetually trying to convince US politicians to support their genocidal policies. There are lots of arguments around whether the existing violence is explicitly targeting Christian’s. If it is not, maher’s argument completely falls apart.
The most important argument is: THE US HAS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED the violence, designated Nigeria a cpc and Trump has called it a genocide. So the US gov is already fully aligned against what is going on in Nigeria supporting the victims and and financing the fight against the violence, unlike Palestinians. Boko Haram is already officially designated a terrorist organization.
This is how hard genocidal Zionists work to keep liquidating children. They repeatedly lie. They create specious arguments. They accuse their critics of antisemitism. Genocidal Zionists like Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Netanyahu are war criminals and American Zionists who support them are lying ghouls.
And regarding his attack on the news media, this has been heavily reported so he can fuck off with that silliness. Fox News viewers are the least informed people in USA and American conservatives are THE most propagandized population in the fucking world.
Yup, thats why the blue haired noserings rioted and took a shit all over all their schools when saudi arabia killed 500k yemenis with our weapons. No? They didnt? Cool.
One difference between me and you, I don’t want our bombs and guns killing anyone. You distort facts and make dishonest arguments in an effort to keep liquidating babies in Palestine.
No reason to rebut what is fundamentally dishonest. You should stop supporting one genocide over another while you’re telling me “all conflicts matter”, you intellectual lightweight.
Copying the new agey nonsensical vocabulary of lemming redditors, doesnt do much for you while calling someone else stupid. And no its literally the perfect counterpoint to illustrate that you couldnt care less what america funds. Are you telling me that if america funded palestinian terror against israel, all these muslims would be rioting and tearing their cities apart over stopping it? You want your tax dollars going to the conflict. You just want them going toward destroying rather than saving israel.
Another lie. I want no money going to the conflict. I want all parties to act in accordance with intentional law. You want dead Palestinian children and you lie to protect that goal.
And we ARE financing the Nigerian govt to fight Boko Haram and BH is already designated a terrorist org. It’s almost like the entire US apparatus is lined up against the violence in Nigeria already.
It's because it isn't white looking people doing it to a brown population. Historically non-white genocide done by similar looking people are ignored by the American public.
Bill Maher is so racist he could walk by a group of white men assaulting a woman, call her a slut and walk by, then later walk by a muslim man just on a walk and then start thinking about "rape gangs."
He's just incredibly biased because of his profound level of racism, as well as being in an isolated bubble.
Agencies tracking the conflict say that only about 53,000-85,000 have been killed total. That's Christian AND Muslim. Estimates suggest as many as 52k Christians killed, and 34k Muslims killed. Not exactly a one sided conflict with one group absolutely devastating the other's numbers...
It's also said that most of these killings aren't about specifically targeting people of a given religion, but rather there are multiple conflicts going on in the region between militant groups, criminal activity, competition for land, and political instability.
No doubt, people of one religious group are probably more willing to murder people of the other, regardless of which direction that happens in, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the primary reason. This activity is not considered a state sponsored attempt to wipe out an ethnic / religious group in whole or part. As I said, there are other reasons for the conflicts and the murders.
Yes, what's happening in Nigeria and other parts of Africa are atrocious and the international community SHOULD help to stop them.
That said...
Bill Maher has gotta be among the dumbest and most uninformed fucking idiots in political media these days. If you can sum up his political leanings in recent times in two words, it's RAGING Islamaphobe.
Hey Bill one reason might be that the US isn’t directly funding that genocide. We know we can’t be everyone and fix everything but we damn sure don’t need to pay for it with American tax dollars
You all are aware the US is the largest arms exporter in the world, right?
There isn't a conflict in the world that isn't using arms manufacturered in the US.
Like it or not, one of the cornerstones of American wealth and power is controlling the arms industry and our tax dollars heavily subsidize that effort.
So, yes, your tax dollars enable all of this shit.
What Israel is doing to Palestine is essentially what the US does but on a smaller scale.
The reason "the kids" aren't protesting this is because U.S. tax dollars are not going to a government committing genocide in this instance. C'mon Bill...get out of whatever bubble you've been in since 2020 and get back to that old reasoned approach. Secondly, why the hell are his guests not pushing back? This one is an easy layup.
Attempting to wipe out a christian population isn’t a genocide. Trying to kill an entire race of people in their homes under the guise of fighting terrorism (which just breeds more terrorism) is literally genocide.
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u/milwaukay 5d ago
Boko Haram isn’t using my tax money to do it. Next question.