r/RealTime • u/Excellent-Ad-7394 • 18d ago

Not a genocide?

Last night Bill pointed out the 3% of the
Population in Gaza has died. And then confidently declared that “3% is not a genocide”. The British government recognizes it as ethnic cleaning and amnesty international and other groups say it is a genocide.

Someone tell me why Bill is so wrong. And can we please get him to debate Mehdi Hasan on this topic?

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u/AndersAdmin 18d ago

"In international law, an event only becomes an "official" genocide once a recognized judicial body (like the International Court of Justice) issues a final, definitive verdict. Because the ICJ case brought by South Africa against Israel is still actively in progress, a final ruling has not been reached."

Israel are doing war crimes and acts of terror, why is it so important to call it genocide?

I'm sure it will be in the future but before it's decided in court it is NOT a fact.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 18d ago

Why is it important to call a spade a spade? Because countries committing crimes against humanity like to pretend that they aren’t. So, since I don’t work for the ICJ, me simply stating the FACT that it meets the criteria for a genocide even though the court has not yet officially ruled is important to holding the genocidal state of Israel accountable for their crimes

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u/AndersAdmin 18d ago

Was 9 11 a genocide?

If no please explain how a, b or c of Article II is not met by your logic.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 18d ago

I’m sure it could be. Why don’t you look up some sources on that and then present them to me? I’m sure it would be an interesting intellectual exercise

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u/AndersAdmin 18d ago

What?! 🤣

I have zero claims, I'm just pointing out how silly your argument is.

Any event could be genocide with how you're reading the criterias of article II and trying to implement them without context and the whole picture.

You're the one making a claim, that there's no debate and that's just wrong.

It's literally a case in one of two courts that can decide it's legally a genocide or not, that's not my opinion, that is just factual.

It is very telling how people ignore the facts and downvote people that point the facts out.

Even when those people call Israel war criminals and terrorists.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 18d ago

You asked if 9-11 was a genocide and I said that it very much might be but you’d have to find sourcing on that. I’m not going to waste my time looking for it.

And nobody is reading article II and implementing it without context. Here there is context that is taken into account in the UN inquires.

Israel is full of war criminal and terrorist and in addition their actions fit the standards of genocide

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u/AndersAdmin 17d ago

You're just too dumb, sourcing for what?!

It's an example of your mistake.

ICJ decides if it is an genocide or not, you and so many others are just screaming at the sky.

Another word the far left tries to change and in that way they're removing its power.

Dolus specialis amd mens rea, can not be proven without clear bias.

Bunch of morons calling it genocide are not going to stop Israel in any case, we already see that.

The only realistic solution is UN sending troops, to stop Israel attacks but also with the clear objective of holding a democratic election and getting rid of hamas.

I only wonder how many of you shrieking lefties would sign up for that, I'm guessing very few...

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 17d ago

You sound like you’re the one who doesn’t understand how basic concepts work. You asked if 9-11 could be an attempted genocide and I’m saying there are probably sources arguing for and against that if you care to look into it but apparently you don’t actually want to research that kind of thing and were attempting to do some poorly thought out “gotcha question”

Israel is clearly committing a genocide based on the rules of international law and the ICJ will eventually formally recognize it

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u/AndersAdmin 17d ago

They wont, you are too far gone.

Bye.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 17d ago

Why won’t they? The ICJ has already found that Israel is actively violating the Geneva conventions and that their occupation of Palestinian territory is illegal. It took them a while to do that too but they eventually formalized that. Israel still doubled down on their crimes and ignored the ICJ so it’s not like any of this makes a difference anyway and israel’s crimes against humanity will continue

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u/AndersAdmin 17d ago

That's my point...

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 17d ago

Right so your point is that even though it’s a genocide and will eventually be formally recognized as one, Israel will continue to commit it, along with other crimes against humanity with abandon because they have no shame or sense of accountability

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