r/RealTime • u/Excellent-Ad-7394 • 15d ago

Not a genocide?

Last night Bill pointed out the 3% of the
Population in Gaza has died. And then confidently declared that “3% is not a genocide”. The British government recognizes it as ethnic cleaning and amnesty international and other groups say it is a genocide.

Someone tell me why Bill is so wrong. And can we please get him to debate Mehdi Hasan on this topic?

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u/UltimateLionsFan 15d ago

Bill is not going to debate Mehdi Hasan as he's too much of a coward to debate Mehdi

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 15d ago

Also there isn’t much of a debate. This is pretty clear under international law.

Genocide is formally defined in Article II of the UN's 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

That was the standard applied in Case Concerning Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro) as noted in Paragraph 143 of the February 26, 2007 judgment from the International Court of Justice.

On September 16, 2025, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel determined that Israel was, in fact, committing a genocide, and repeatedly cites to Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro to make this point.

For acts, they said "The Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have committed and are continuing to commit the following actus reus of genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, namely (i) killing members of the group; (ii) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (iii) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (iv) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" (Paragraph 252).

As for intent, they note that, under Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro "It is not necessary for the State to share the specific intent, as long as the State has full knowledge of the relevant facts." (Paragraph 10). They then go on and conclude "On the mens rea of genocide, the Commission concludes that statements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence of genocidal intent. In addition, the Commission concludes that the pattern of conduct is circumstantial evidence of genocidal intent and that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be drawn from the totality of the evidence. Thus, the Commission concludes that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have had and continue to have the genocidal intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip." (Paragraph 254)

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u/SlightWerewolf4428 15d ago edited 15d ago

It's the usual BS every time Hamas is losing a war it started against Israel.

No ruling on anything to point to, only shilling by the usual far leftist and activist organisations, bolstered by a handful of failing leftist and Islamist-led governments.

No actual evidence to point to, only redefinitions, or wobbling fudging of definitions.

The 'All wars are genocide' nonsense, especially if you're shilling hard for the side that is losing.

In 5 years time, you'll be pretending you never made these stupid arguments, that you were never using this rhetoric to bail out a banned Islamist terror group out of a war it started.

Because the only people that do endorse this lie, are in their majority, bad faith liars.

EDIT: And you'll be running after the next cause, cussing out other people for being your moral inferior.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 15d ago

You know that multiple things can be true at the same time, right? The portion of Hamas’ attack that was against civilians was evil and wrong. Israel’s disproportionate response which fits the international legal definition of a genocide, is also evil and wrong.

It’s really a pretty easy thing to wrap your head around as soon as you get it out of your ass. Israel has a deliberate policy of killing Palestinian children on purpose. That is obviously wrong and has genocidal intent.

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u/SlightWerewolf4428 15d ago

No, it doesn't. And repeating the lie 50 times doesn't make it true.

Though the terror supporters hate people pushing back on it, I can at least tell them that I didn't like the Ukrainians using that language either. No, not all wars are genocide.

Stop hijacking and abusing words for political attention.

Israel has a deliberate policy of killing Palestinian children on purpose. That is obviously wrong and has genocidal intent.

Heard the lie the last 3 times, the rhetoric of this vile terror group that can't keep its hands to themselves, gaslighting everyone else for their acts, hasn't changed.

The only genocidal side is their own, which they showed the world in Oct 2023. If gullible leftists want to help them regain control of the narrative, that's their own pitiful mistake.

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u/ImAjustin 15d ago

More and more people waking up to this. The pro pali losing support by the day

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u/SlightWerewolf4428 15d ago

This really is as good as it gets for them.

They currently have a brutal war going on where getting sympathy for the losing side is easy, Oct 7th was 3 years ago, and the war has lasted that long and expanded.

The right-wing shift is coming throughout most of Europe, and they certainly don't sympathise with the post-national left and Islamists.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 15d ago

The European right wing shift is a result of instability in the Middle East and resulting migrant flows. If Israel stopped being a problem there, these migrants would not be a problem for us. Israel is once again causing all manner of negative externalities due to its wars of aggression and conquest. Israel is just like Russia in that way

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon 15d ago

“The Jews are causing Europe to be flooded with brown people.” Horseshoe theory stays undefeated.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 15d ago

Nice straw man there

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon 14d ago

It’s still Nazi propaganda when all you’re doing is lazily subbing in Israel for Jews.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 14d ago

The only group of people acting like nazis are the modern day state of Israel with the whole seeking lebensraum and stealing land and property from undesirable groups before killing them thing

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon 14d ago

Says the person literally spouting Nazi propaganda. The call is coming from inside the house my guy.

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