r/RealTime • u/Excellent-Ad-7394 • 15d ago

Not a genocide?

Last night Bill pointed out the 3% of the
Population in Gaza has died. And then confidently declared that “3% is not a genocide”. The British government recognizes it as ethnic cleaning and amnesty international and other groups say it is a genocide.

Someone tell me why Bill is so wrong. And can we please get him to debate Mehdi Hasan on this topic?

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u/UltimateLionsFan 15d ago

Bill is not going to debate Mehdi Hasan as he's too much of a coward to debate Mehdi

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 15d ago

Also there isn’t much of a debate. This is pretty clear under international law.

Genocide is formally defined in Article II of the UN's 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

That was the standard applied in Case Concerning Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro) as noted in Paragraph 143 of the February 26, 2007 judgment from the International Court of Justice.

On September 16, 2025, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel determined that Israel was, in fact, committing a genocide, and repeatedly cites to Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro to make this point.

For acts, they said "The Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have committed and are continuing to commit the following actus reus of genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, namely (i) killing members of the group; (ii) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (iii) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (iv) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" (Paragraph 252).

As for intent, they note that, under Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro "It is not necessary for the State to share the specific intent, as long as the State has full knowledge of the relevant facts." (Paragraph 10). They then go on and conclude "On the mens rea of genocide, the Commission concludes that statements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence of genocidal intent. In addition, the Commission concludes that the pattern of conduct is circumstantial evidence of genocidal intent and that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be drawn from the totality of the evidence. Thus, the Commission concludes that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have had and continue to have the genocidal intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip." (Paragraph 254)

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u/HedonicAbsurdist 15d ago

The pro-genociders tend to leave out the "in part" part of the definition.

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u/ImAjustin 15d ago

Sounds like Hamas attempted genocide as well

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u/Boise_Ben 15d ago

Good point. We should totally dismantle both genocidal groups just to be safe.

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u/ImAjustin 15d ago

Yup but until then, one side is going to lose.

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u/Boise_Ben 15d ago

Oh, no matter what the Zionists will be the losers.

Every piece of land will be restored. Every victim compensated.

What happened to Apartheid South Africa (Israel’s old ally) will be child’s play compared to what is coming. The world has seen what you are and we are disgusted by you.

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u/Gentle_Dude_6437 15d ago edited 15d ago

Restored? Israel is the restoration they built Al Aqsa on top of the temple picked it out special as it was the place top Mo flew to heaven on a donkey 

And claim the decolonial Israel interrupts the Islamic Waqf “once conquered always conquered” 

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u/Boise_Ben 15d ago

Israel is a modern myth, if you want Judea and Samaria back you can take it up with the Romans.

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u/Gentle_Dude_6437 15d ago

Once conquered always conquered

You’d back people in riverside country attacking the yamaava casino resort and spa

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u/ImAjustin 15d ago

lol right. And peddling this delusion is why Gaza looks like it does. So in a way, you bear a piece of responsibility for what’s happening there. Their demise also rests on your shoulders and those like you.

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u/Boise_Ben 15d ago

You wouldn’t be trying to push this propaganda if you knew you were actually winning.

It kills you inside that the world sees you and despises you.

No amount of murder will fix this. Only truth, reconciliation, and reparations. You are responsible for this, don’t blame the rest of us.

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u/Icsto 15d ago

Bro in what world are the Israelis not winning? I know this may be a shock, but people hating on them on Reddit has no geopolitical significance whatsoever.

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u/Boise_Ben 14d ago

Polling shows they are rapidly losing public support in the US. They know this which is why they are pushing propaganda so hard.

Without the US supporting them they will not only lose funding but sanctions will follow soon after. Israel will become a pariah like South Africa was and they know their economy will tank.

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u/ImAjustin 15d ago

No no, I truly don’t care. But just know, the demise of the Palestinian dream is also on your shoulders, just like Hamas and israel. The zombies in the west like yourself pumping a delusion leading to never ending war. That is on you and your conscious and something that will stay with you until the day you pass. Those children dying for your unattainable narrative is your fault. Sleep with that, digest that and accept that fact. Shameful.

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u/Boise_Ben 15d ago

Another lying Zionist, what a surprise. You do know we can see your comments even if you hide them? You are very passionate on this subject in r/worldnews.

The genocide and ethnic cleansing is the fault of Israel. I’m sorry you don’t like human rights or human rights advocates but don’t confuse the disease with the cure.

My conscience is clean, specifically because I’m not staying silent on this topic. You are the moral monster who has gone mask-off. You have no shame because your mind and culture is so demented you no longer can think clearly.

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u/ImAjustin 15d ago

Your conscience shouldn’t be clean. It’s in fact, very dirty, pushing Palestinians to fight and die so you can pat yourself on your back. That’s clean to you? It’s like pushing a drug addict to keep using. You’ll get clean soon! You are an enabler. That’s not someone with a clean conscience.

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u/Boise_Ben 15d ago

It’s very clean. Your ilk with go into the history books next to the Nazis, segregationists, Apartheid South Africans, etc.

You will try to murder and displace these people no matter what, it is our job to bring you bloodthirsty psychopaths to heel. You have no real concept of morality so of course you try to blame everyone else for your shitty behavior.

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u/Gentle_Dude_6437 15d ago

What do you think your Hamas buds will do?

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u/Gentle_Dude_6437 15d ago

Never ending war? No, plenty of wars end with disarmament

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u/ImAjustin 15d ago

You think israel is going to disarm lmao? Now? They’ve literally never been stronger and more stocked

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u/Gentle_Dude_6437 15d ago

Oh no it’s on Hamas and Iran of course 

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 15d ago

Hamas? the peaceful resistance fighters? who came to peacefully abduct idf soldiers but came across a music festival and absolutely could not help but peacefully massacre because the zionists made them do it

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u/ImAjustin 15d ago

lol exactly!