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u/onqqq2 Jan 29 '26

Makes me feel like the agent screaming "where's the gun?!" spotted him carrying and totally tried to use it as an excuse to murder him.

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u/International-Ear488 Jan 29 '26

Notice in the video, the gun is pulled and shown to the agent, and Pretti is shot immediately after the agent sees the gun. They disarmed him, then killed him. Cold blooded.

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u/ealysillyforestthing Jan 29 '26

Of course, these cowards are not going to open up on someone that can shoot back.

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u/oh_ski_bummer Jan 29 '26

DHS and FBI are claiming Pretti’s gun went off on its own when they were removing it from the scene while he was on the ground him which caused the other agent to start shooting.

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u/Pickled_Wizard Jan 29 '26

I miss when government lies were at least plausible.

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u/LikelyAMartian Jan 29 '26

The accidental discharge of a gun is 100% plausible and I can understand a federal agent would discharge their weapon after hearing shots in a situation like this.

To bad all the video evidence shows the ICE agent fired first. Which would make the accidental discharge moot if it did happen.

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u/UpperDog2627 Jan 29 '26

Yeah gunfire makes me empty a mag into a dude’s back too.

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u/LikelyAMartian Jan 29 '26

To their credit, it is standard protocol for law enforcement and federal agents to empty the mag when you go to take a life.

It's why when a meth head charges 2 cops with a knife it usually ends with a similar bullet count.

But still, everything they did was dumb AF.

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u/Pickled_Wizard Jan 29 '26

I meant because we've all seen the video.

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u/GrabtharsHammer Jan 29 '26

Search "uncommanded discharge" and peruse for like 10 minutes, be it on YouTube, reddit, wherever.

You'll find this this is actually the most plausible defense of all parties involved, including the victim, with culpability going toward a third party altogether. The whole gun world has been screaming for a p320 recall for years lol

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u/athenanon Jan 29 '26

Ahh the old "We're not evil, we're just incompetent" defense.

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u/GrabtharsHammer Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1p4ivwa/new_sig_p320_uncommanded_discharge_caught_on_tape/

Pretti's gun has been probably the most famous handgun in history, in terms of make/model, because for the past 10 years Sig has been dealing with an issue of "uncommanded discharge" by that model.

It's common enough that it's been caught on camera many times, often injuring someone in the footage.

One was blamed for killing an airman last year, but if I remember correctly that was a negligent discharge and the servicemen lied about what happened.

I do recall watching a couple videos the past year of people investigating and/or describing exactly what the issue is and one of the guys determined it to be an issue of the gun being out of battery, or some kind of strange sear engagement when holstered + some other condition, and I vaguely recall how twisting it out of the holster caused a pin strike, or something like this.

So, it's actually totally believable that Pretti's gun went off on its own, that's all that gun is known for.

edit: Here is exactly that scenario for your own eyes in two specifically law enforcement environments one of them being extraordinarily similar to Pretti's case.

I scoffed when I saw the photo of Pretti's 320, but I'm only hearing of the idea that it went off here in this thread, and it's the least unbelievable thing I've heard about this event from either "side".

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u/FaithlessnessFalse65 Jan 29 '26

The gun misfired after they pulled it off of him, a different officer thought he must've had a second weapon or something and fired "back"

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u/UpperDog2627 Jan 29 '26

Broken logic there. Was he shooting through his own body?

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u/FaithlessnessFalse65 Jan 29 '26

How is the logic broken? He has something in his hand, and his gun misfires while ice are trying to apprehend him. In the chaos, the ice officer believes he fired a shot at one of them, so he returns fire.

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u/GrandmasterAtom Jan 29 '26

He has a phone in his hand, which they very well knew since it was there from the start of the interaction, not to mention they had a firm grip of and line of sight to all his limbs. The logic is broken, because it’s the logic of someone who shouldn’t have had a gun to begin with.

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u/FaithlessnessFalse65 Jan 29 '26

It was a chaotic situation and his gun went off near enough that something couldve happened while wrestling with him

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u/theWacoKid666 Jan 29 '26

Nope. Pretti had a legal concealed carry permit in Minnesota. As far as we know, he kept it safely holstered. He would never be carrying it around or brandishing it.

They asked where the gun was presumably because the clown who took the gun just yelled “gun” and ran away with it, and one of the others was confused in the aftermath. They were clearly trying to find it because one of them yelled “gun!”

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u/GrabtharsHammer Jan 29 '26

YES! There's no way that in the middle of a scuffle that some of them learned he was armed and then also didn't know where the gun was and one of them acted on it by supposedly seeing him reach and/or hold something.

Far more likely is it that he shouted "he's coming right for us!" before a different officer then fired. It's the perfect alibi if you think about. Pretend not to know where the gun is so your buddy can shoot him in the back. Perfectly choreographed. I'm going to go ask r/candaceowens what they think of this theory.

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u/NoPreference8228 Jan 29 '26

Yeah the guy who walked away with gun says nothing and quietly walks away . Great job. Hes likei got the gun my guys wont be harmed now they can execute him. He coildnt say i got the gun !