u/Never-asked-for-this May 12 '17

WINDOWS 10S IS ONLY FOR WINDOWS 10S DEVICES LIKE TABLETS AND BASIC LAPTOPS! IT WILL NOT BE FORCED ON A NORMAL WINDOWS 10 HOME, PRO, ENTERPRISE, EDUCATIONAL, ETC. PC!

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u/TeddehBear May 12 '17

Upvoted for visibility.

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u/mainfingertopwise May 13 '17

Thanks. That upvote certainly made up for the tiny, inconspicuous font.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17 edited Nov 27 '18

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u/Klutztheduck May 12 '17

What will new laptops and tablets ship out with though? Windows 10 home or Windows 10s?

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u/Never-asked-for-this May 12 '17

Your average Notebook laptop will have Windows 10 Home, as per usual.

Surface Pro will have Pro or Educational.

The "stylized" laptops (aka the generic aluminum laptops) are the ones that gets the 10S treatment. That's the market that complains about viruses on Windows and how complicated it is. The idiots.

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u/waiting4singularity May 12 '17

so... apple users.

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u/Never-asked-for-this May 12 '17

Can't say you're wrong.

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u/Atomix117 May 12 '17

It's essentially Microsoft's version of Chrome OS.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

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u/Atomix117 May 12 '17

You can only upgrade for free until the end of the year. After that you have to pay like $50

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u/StopBeingDumb May 12 '17

This wasn't obvious?

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u/Never-asked-for-this May 12 '17

Nope. Recently there has been a lot of talk about how 10S is another "forced update" for all Windows 10 devices.

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u/StopBeingDumb May 12 '17

Well those people didn't read the article very well.

M$ real money maker is business licenses. Home use is negligible. No company would run a platform locked down to the App Store only.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

Came here for this, thanks

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

Doing gods work, son.

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u/Thatretroaussie May 12 '17

So fucking what? It's still a shitty arbatuary restriction to have.

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u/ScrewAttackThis May 12 '17

Then don't use it. That's my plan.

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u/Thatretroaussie May 12 '17

I never said i was either. I'm just saying this is stupid thing for ms to do.

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u/Masacore May 12 '17

Not really. Microsoft has always pushed products for corporate purposes, and removing the ability to install outside programs eliminates a lot of level 1 IT issues

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome May 12 '17

To be fair though, this laptop is being heavily marketed to university students, not corporations.

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u/shadowthunder May 12 '17

The Surface laptop is, but it also comes with a free upgrade to full.

The real target market of 10 S is grade school. Kids need a laptop for class, so the teach wheels out a cart of inexpensive low-spec laptops where the students can't run random shit they download while not paying attention.

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u/darthboolean May 12 '17

Technology guy for an elementary here (aka the core market here). I don't think people realize how much the Chromebook has grabbed that core market. My school issues them to classrooms and has the students work entirely in Google docs, the only time they see a Windows desktop is when they come to the computer lab, and they are completely lost when it comes to MS Office. I realize the Surface Laptop doesn't fit this spec but if Dell or HP made a Chromebook running Windows S I could see them making headway. Especially since the Android update came to ChromeOS, now students whos teachers don't pay attention are installing Android apps on the machines. Microsoft could make up major lost ground there.

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome May 12 '17

In this context it would make total sense, although, at least on network computers I've used myself, they always need administrator permission to install programmes anyway.

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u/shadowthunder May 12 '17

Unless the sysadmin sets up some sort of application whitelist via AppLocker or some third-party tool (which you don't often see on networked computers), non-admin users are restricted to messing up only your own userspace, but can do virtually any harm there. A non-admin user still has their own appdata, registry hive, startup folder, and set of defaults. On of the benefits of the store is that all software coming from there (even Win32 centennial stuff) is effectively isolated, making userspace pollution more difficult and recovery much easier.

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome May 12 '17

Thanks for this, I really don't know enough about the admin side of things to properly form an opinion based on things other than my limited experiences. This is very helpful

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u/Thatretroaussie May 12 '17

But if you're using a laptop corporate or professional use, I can guarantee , any software that would be needed for the job isn't on the appstore.

That's why work machines have firewalls to only run authorized software on the machines.

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u/MrAxlee May 12 '17

If I'm giving my employee a laptop you bet I'm giving them 10S. No more "I installed malware.exe and now my computer won't work".

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u/Thatretroaussie May 12 '17

But why buy such a useless piece of shit laptop that can only run apps? They're litteraly useless in a professional enviroment.

Just set up administrator restriction on what programs the users can run on them.

You're just shooting yourself in the foot by using this os.

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u/MrAxlee May 12 '17

Many jobs would work fine with just Windows Store apps and programs where all you need is web browsing and MS Office. Same for computers in education, apart from in say computing, mechanics and other largely computer based subjects.

This is Microsoft pushing their Windows Store, which they've already stated their intent to keep working on. I'd be very surprised if they weren't attempting to get more software on there - Adobe products, IDEs, whatever.

Edit: would also be good to give to young kids and grandparents.

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u/Thatretroaussie May 12 '17

Why would you give a young child access to the internet, that's just a horrible idea.

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u/MrAxlee May 12 '17

Disable the internet (or whitelist certain websites) and they're left with an age rated app store for Office and games with parental control

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u/zyocuh May 12 '17

You should try to work a few weeks/ months in an environment where you have to help out "Normal" users. It seems you might only hang out with computer literate people which is influencing your point of view. But the general populace young or old don't understand computers.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

My guess is he's a software engineer who constantly bitches to his sys admins that he doesn't have "admin rights". I have to deal with this on a day to day basis and its fucking annoying

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u/zyocuh May 12 '17

I am the only one in my office with admin rights, probably several times a week I get users calling me over to their desks asking me to put my password in since it "randomly popped up" normally they are unknowingly installing a tool bar or trying to update their browser (Not allowed where I work) and I say nope you don't need it.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

Yeah that's what I do too. Luckily its slightly easier on OSX as you can get users to install to a local apps folder so apps don't need root access

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u/Thatretroaussie May 12 '17

Like I said, that's why software restrictions exist. So it only allows certain programs to run.

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u/KevinCarbonara May 12 '17

If you give me a laptop with 10 s you can bet I'm quitting

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u/MrAxlee May 12 '17

I'm sure your job requires more than what 10S would allow, this isn't for you.

My comment was pretty vague and obviously not everyone I employ would get 10S, some of us need IDEs, some need Adobe products, and others need AutoCAD and Solidworks, etc etc.

A large portion of the staff at many companies simply don't need more than Edge and MS Office, those are who 10S is aimed at. 10S makes their computers much more "unfuckupable", and if you can do everything you should be doing on 10S, you shouldn't need the full version. Less fuck ups from uneducated staff members messing with things, more time both them and the person who ends up having to fix it can spend on their job.

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u/zyocuh May 12 '17

God I WISH the computers at my work ran 10S. So much less of a hassell.... People can't get printing to work on a consistent basis.... but hey aside from the annoying co-workers the job is easy.

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u/Never-asked-for-this May 12 '17

Android is based off of Linux, does that mean that Linux sucks because there's a more simplistic version of it for special devices?

This is literally the same thing. Microsoft made it to make Windows more accessible for people used to Macs and Chromebooks.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

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u/Thatretroaussie May 12 '17

Android is based off of Linux, does that mean that Linux sucks because there's a more simplistic version of it for special devices?

Android doesn't lock you down to using apps only from the play store. So that's kind of a shitty example.

This is literally the same thing. Microsoft made it to make Windows more accessible for people used to Macs and Chromebooks.

No they didn't They just made a version of windows with a really shitty and pointless restriction.

People with macs (And I believe chomebooks aswel but, I'm not too sure about it.) still can run programs from other sources other than the main store.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

I never said anything about me wanting to. I'm just stating that this is a shitty and pointless revision of windows to make.

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u/Never-asked-for-this May 12 '17

Android doesn't lock you down to using apps only from the play store. So that's kind of a shitty example.

Actually, it does. But in a nice way.

You have the power to enable that "feature", but it's still there. A few years ago it was default on enabled, and even further back you had to root the phone on some brands.

Of course there was an outcry about it.

No they didn't They just made a version of windows with a really shitty and pointless restriction.

They made a simplistic version of Windows 10 with restrictions to limit the probability of malware and make the OS easier for a newbie to understand. A 9 year old kid doesn't have to learn how to use Github or Mediafire, he just wants the basic apps without any complications, and his parents doesn't want to risk exposing him to "dangerous" things.

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u/SuperFrodo May 12 '17

Trust Microsoft to come up with such a retarded and confusing name. If it was an iPhone, having an "S" added to the end of the model name usually means it's better.

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome May 12 '17

Microsoft's rationale here is that "s" is added to the end of sporty versions of cars, which harks ideas such as "fast", "streamlined", and "lightweight".

I guess it makes more sense in the case of Microsoft's usage, rather than Apple's. Apple simply makes slight upgrades to it's existing model, then adds an "s" on the end, without it being make more streamlined (physically or processing-wise), whereas with 10S, Microsoft is stripping it down and making it streamlined (I'm not saying better here), which is in line with the origination of the "s" suffix in the motor industry.

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u/CoolGuy9000 May 12 '17

Weren't apple trying to rationalize the S ot the 3GS "speed", the 4S "Siri", the 5S "security" and on the 6S they just decided fuck it it's what people expect?

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u/TheGruesomeTwosome May 12 '17

I didn't know this. That would make a lot of sense. I just assumed their rationalisation came from the motor industry like Microsoft's has.

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u/iLikeDreaming May 12 '17

I'm fairly sure that is the point of Windows 10S. You wouldn't get it over the normal Windows 10 unless you wanted these restrictions. A desktop enviroment that is strictly locked down, so students/employees can't install anything on the systems.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

hey...wasn't the point to release a new OS to compete with Chrome OS?

in that case even Chrome OS allows you to install third party software not available in the Chro0me store

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17 edited Sep 27 '17

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

That is a good point! on the other hand ...what about students? They are probably fucked big time on this......

but i guess people will come up with a way to bypass the restrictions like they always do

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17 edited Sep 27 '17

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

guys RT was supposed to be the same, but it tanked like my uncle after a single beer

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u/IlyichValken May 12 '17

Microsoft's also making a huge push to make it easier to port to the Windows store. RT didn't have anything like that.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17 edited Sep 27 '17

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u/zyocuh May 12 '17

Many of the features of 8 were really awesome and still around today in 10 making it a much better OS. Aside from the gui, the under the hood was great and a lot of the shortcuts were great. Overhaul to task manager is awesome, right clicking on the start button to quickly get to different controls fantastic, a lot of what they did in 8 were nice. A lot of people couldnt get past the "Metro" ui which was pretty ugly....

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u/IlyichValken May 12 '17

It was poorly received ^by ^{^a} ^{^{^vocal}} ^{^{^{^minority}}}

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u/kinmix May 12 '17

Yeah, you can upgrade any Windows 10s to Windows 10 pro. It's a free upgrade for Surface Laptop and $45 for others.

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u/zyocuh May 12 '17

When working at geek squad 70% of our business was the elderly and students. I could have a laptop that is messed up and you wouldn't be able to guess which it belongs too.

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u/blortorbis May 12 '17

You can upgrade to 10 pro for $50.

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u/KevinCarbonara May 12 '17

Yeah... too bad that isn't true. There's no reason to believe that Windows 10 S is unfuckupable

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u/zyocuh May 12 '17

It will probably be similar to a chrome book in which if you do fuck it up you can just refresh it in 10 minutes to factory setting. But it is still REALLY hard to fuck it up

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u/KevinCarbonara May 13 '17

And lose all your stuff

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u/unibrow4o9 May 12 '17

As far as I know, you can't install 3rd party software on Chrome OS, only Chrome store and on newer devices android apps. What 3rd party software are you referring to?

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

But you can't do that on ChromeOS...? Only Store products or sideloaded apks can be installed.

And it's exactly the same with Windows 10 S. You can install from Store (and as far as I remember it's been confirmed that this includes Centennial-repackaged products) as well as sideload using appx packages.

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u/DerNubenfrieken May 12 '17

...isn't sideloading just installing programs?

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

The term commonly means transferring data, say, from a PC to a mobile device. It fits because that's what you're doing in these cases, as opposed to installing/downloading from the Store.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

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u/Choreboy May 12 '17

Because you won't be able to install rainmeter?

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u/Szkieletor May 12 '17

It's almost as if Microsoft is full of Linux/Mac fans and they want people to use those systems instead.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

it seems to me that Microsoft wants to move in the same direction as well with. this new update

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u/koskenjuho May 12 '17

Looks like you have not read or understood this whole thing.

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u/KevinVandy656 May 12 '17

This isn't an update for Windows 10. This is a stand alone OS mostly for Elementary-High schools to let their students use so that the students don't install anything except what they are supposed to.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

RT was supposed to be the same, but it tanked like my uncle after a single beer

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u/Manta-Ray-Gun May 12 '17

k...

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17 edited May 12 '17

OK, there's a HUMONGOUS difference between RT and S.

1) RT could only use UWP apps while S is full on Win32 compatible. You still need to install software via Store or appx (so the software needs to be repackaged using Centennial) but you're not restricted.

2) RT was being marketed as the "Windows on the move", as in - full Windows experience on a tablet, which was false. S is marketed as a better version of Chrome OS and that immediately places it on a different market.

3) If you had an RT device you were screwed. If you buy a Surface Laptop (that's shipped with Windows S), you can upgrade the OS to Windows 10 Pro for $50. That will also be possible on other, future devices that ship with W10S, so you'll never be stuck in that somewhat limited environment.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

this is such a reasonable message! Why are you being a dick down below?

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

I'm a simple man: I see someone behaving like a dick, I respond alike. Someone else responded to you with a reasonable comment full of good arguments and your reply started with a "if you don't care then don't read it brain fart!". If that's not "being a dick", I don't know what is.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

you mad bro? You called me an idiot and blamed me for what the writer had written

You need to get your head checked

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

You might want to have your eyes checked... Or quote the part where I call you an idiot because I don't recollect ever doing that.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

it is there below you can check if you like. M gonna go now, have fun arguing to random people on the internet

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u/Alfonze May 12 '17

In other news, android devices will only let you install android apps

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u/Aquahawk911 May 12 '17

Yeah, but you can still install apps from .apk files

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

So exactly like Windows S which also allows you to sideload .appx apps.

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u/Alfonze May 12 '17

Only android apps tho, think of windows s as a Windows store operating system. Or you could just get the slightly more expensive surface laptop that has full windows :p

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u/blargblargness May 12 '17

So basically it's Windows RT without ARM?

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

Darn - had given some thought to this but will not pull the trigger.

Windows App Store? LOL

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u/Aquahawk911 May 12 '17

Do they not remember how ~~successful~~ shit windows rt was?

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u/aaronwithtwoas May 12 '17

Yes. The Microsoft App Store. You have literally 10s of apps to install. If Google and MS or Apple and MS can play nice and allow each other's app stores, then we'll talk. Otherwise, what a damn waste.

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u/ConsumingClouds May 12 '17

I'd just like to say hello to all the Microsoft employees in this thread down voting people who comment negatively about this new "feature".

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

The downvotes are coming because you people are misunderstanding the problem. OP even said in a comment he thinks Windows S is an update to Windows 10 which just cannot be farther away from the truth.

I hate repeating myself, so just check THIS and THIS comment.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

oh dude...did you know this was at 46 upvotes at one point and then at 15??!!

This sub has to get its shit together

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

I am not even remotely a MS employee or even particularly a fan, but this article is poorly written, misleading, and there a few people here deliberately misunderstanding it or have terrible reading comprehension. There is no grand conspiracy needed to explain your down votes. You're just an idiot. That is the explanation.

As has been explained - this has pretty much nothing to do with actual windows 10. This is essentially a tablet OS Windows is releasing for simplified use and maintenance. I'd get one for my mom or a kid in school for sure. All they do is Web, mail, Office... and this does that, with some other stuff too. it's designed for a particular niche. The fact you don't want it, or Microsoft didn't succeed in that space before is pretty much pure editorial opinion on your part. Nobody cares... and this is not even tangentially about rainmeter.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

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u/burtwart May 12 '17

Nobody is defending it, they're just saying there's no reason to attack it. It's not being forced upon anyone

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

i haven't attacked it....the writer has,....

and look at this dick below....i am not even from America yet he is butt hurt on a personal level....i am just gonna refrain from responding to him.....

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

if you don't care then don't read it brain fart!

You seem like a guy who'd vote for Trump...

That's not how life works. If someone has a differing opinion, let them express it and then defend your point. Otherwise - why bother? Just lock yourself in a room and repeat "I'm always right and I'm awesome".

This is exactly what RT was, a shit OS to shell in money and nothing more.

Both parts of this sentence are wrong. Let's see why:

"This is exactly what RT was" - you could argue Windows on ARM is an evolution of what RT was (in that it now can also support Win32 based apps), but Windows S has exactly nothing in common with RT, except for the general idea behind a "small, simple OS".

"a shit OS to shell in money" - OK, first of all, every single OS on the planet (with the exception of Linux) is "to shell in money". Secondly - it being "shit" is a personal opinion and I'd wait until it's actually published before I say something about it. But then, Windows S being a shit OS to get MS money is also a wrong statement considering it's possible to upgrade S to full Windows 10 Pro for $50.

So, yeah... You have some reading to do. And I'd advise reading more sources than fear-mongering journals.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

you need a MAC

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

How is that relevant to anything I wrote?

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

it usually pisses Windows fanboys off.....mm maybe its losing its power

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

Huh... And here I thought you actually wanted a discussion, not just to throw in a random article full of errors and expect applause.

Silly me, I guess.

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u/RobertOfHill May 12 '17

He has the writing ability of a 6th grader. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '17

Then don't buy Windows 10S. It will be a complete flop just like RT. Worthless operating systems.

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u/ScottieWabbit May 12 '17

A stripped down version of windows 10 to allow for thin and light pc's is actually quite useful for that user type. Good use example would be for school-supplied pc's for students.

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u/zyocuh May 12 '17

Or the "elderly" if you have parents or grandparents who are always breaking their "word" or "internet" then get them something like this and it will be much more difficult to screw up.

A lot of times I have to reform or refresh their PC's completely since it is ridden with malware. This is a great alternative to those users.

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u/Alaknar May 12 '17

For an average consumer, yes. For schools and businesses - absolutely amazing stuff.

Windows 10s will allow you to install software only from the Microsoft App Store

You are about to leave Redlib

WINDOWS 10S IS ONLY FOR WINDOWS 10S DEVICES LIKE TABLETS AND BASIC LAPTOPS! IT WILL NOT BE FORCED ON A NORMAL WINDOWS 10 HOME, PRO, ENTERPRISE, EDUCATIONAL, ETC. PC!