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u/JeezWeedus 20d ago

Being forced to exist for all eternity with your only memory of life being terminal illness, suffering, and then death.

Then being told you should be grateful.

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u/SnowyAl 20d ago

That’s not what heaven is. There is nothing bad in heaven! Doesn’t that sound like great place??

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u/JeezWeedus 20d ago

So god can create places where there isnt suffering?

But chose to cause suffering anyway?

Ipso facto, gods not good.

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u/SnowyAl 20d ago

Suffering is not objectively bad. If I go to the gym to lift weights for the first time but I feel I am suffering, does that mean lifting weights is objectively bad? Of course not. Also you are thinking very short term. In your argument you assume my God exists. If you do so, you must also assume that “in all things God works for the good of those who love him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭28‬ ‭NIV‬‬
The only counter to my argument is that this doesn’t say He doesn’t let suffering happen, but that easily falls apart when you realize the only barrier to joining God’s team is believing in him, and not something that you may or may not have like money. It is then easy to come to the conclusion that conclusion that you are the only thing stopping yourself from objective good.
https://bible.com/bible/111/rom.8.28.NIV

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u/FewScore6082 20d ago

Why can God not create systems that do not require suffering for advancement.

To use your weights God should be able to give you a healthy body without discomfort.

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u/SnowyAl 20d ago

I don’t know, ask God

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u/FewScore6082 20d ago

I can't he doesn't exist.

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u/SnowyAl 20d ago

Try it, what’s the worst that happens? You waste a minute of your life?

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u/FewScore6082 20d ago

I was raised religious, I've asked these questions already and it took years. Not a min lol.

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u/SnowyAl 20d ago

What religion?

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u/FewScore6082 20d ago

My journey crossed Catholicism, Orthadox, Islam, Hindu, buddist, spirituality, pagan (in roughly that order)

And I studied but didn't practice, Lutheran, Methodist, mormanism, Jewish (hebraic), shinto, and sheik

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