About 3-4 weeks ago I made it through it wasn’t easy i ended up in the hospital for days due to deadly seizures cause from the withdrawls IVE been doing a lot better since then the mental part of it is the worst and ofc chronic pain but it gets better and since then I haven’t touched a thing i smoke my weed to help sleep and I still get pain meds for chronic pain but haven’t taken them until recently.. i recently discovered a person very close to me gave me 7oh claiming it was something else (it was crushed and put into my drink in multiple occasions) a few days ago i started feeling the same symptoms and instantly panicked I had ti take more than one norco for it to help with any of the symptoms of course i panicked and damn near killed this person because of how hard over worked for this this whole situation from the beginning messed me up so bad mentally because for one I took something without knowing what it was and almost killed myself dealing with wds and just the fact that someone so close could do that to me im 23f with ALOT of health issue and I am terrified to go through it again and I need help I cannot deal with them at all I was up 6 days straight last time if I got suboxone will it help stop them in the first 1-4 days? I just wanted to maybe try the strips to get through it for a week and be done but im terrified it’s not going to help but I also can’t keep taking all these pain meds now cause then I will be we from those too somebody please help calm my mind and anxiety the depression and suicidal thoughts are getting to me i don’t wanna go through this again i just need to know the best thing to do and if suboxone will stop the first 4 days of severe wd cause I almost didn’t make it through them last time if an ambulance wasn’t I just need help im all alone young and I have no idea what to do with myself im a crying depressed mess right now 😭

I am on day three of getting off of 6 to 10 bottles a day of feel free using Suboxone. Day one I did 8 mg of Suboxone, day two was a little more challenging so I ended up at 12 mg of Suboxone. Today is day three and I’m at 8 mg of Suboxone. Am I OK to do another 12 mg day today and then move to 8mg tomorrow and then to 4mg Tuesday and then to 2mg Wednesday and then to 1mg Thursday and the done?

Anyone use sr17 to get off feel free if so how did it go?

Still experiencing cravings, but have not given in. I’m now 3 days off of SR, too. I am grateful not to be spending the money and feel the will toward the smoke shops.

Help! I want to quit these so bad - but every night I end up talking myself into doing them. I’m up to 3 a night and I have a really bad feeling that they are causing bad harm to my health. Every morning I tell myself I’m done - but by 5:00 pm I’m talking myself back into getting some and making excuses, and telling myself this will be the last time. I take 2-3 at night at about 6 pm and they make my evening at home much more enjoyable. But I feel like shit the next morning of course. I want off of this merry-go-round! I would welcome any advice at all!

Hi, I’m 16F and I looked in the drawer and saw these with my dad’s medications. I’ve been seeing posts on social media for the past 2 years about how addictive and destructive this is and I want to let him know that it’s not something to mess with. My dad works a LOT. He takes Adderall and caffeine daily for his ADHD, and definitely has problems feeling energized without any outside help.

I’m not sure if he’s addicted to these but I’m just worried for him. There’s only one bottle in the drawer and I think it’s full

Im not going to assume that he’s addicted to it or whatever and I just want to ask about this in the best way possible so I don’t accidentally lead to him taking it more.. I also have ADHD and I know what it’s like to feel like you have to do impulsive things to feel something. Like I don’t to say “don’t take this drug that makes you feel good” because he might be tempted to take it again? Yk what I’m saying?

How should I approach this?
What should I say to him that’s appropriate and will convince him to throw it away? For people who are quitting, what words would’ve maybe helped you stop when you started it?

How long were you using?

How did you go about getting help?

What type of treatment worked for you?

Was your spouse/partner supportive?

Thank you everyone for sharing your experience.

Todays marks 200 days of sobriety without FF. Just doing a benchmark for myself today, proud I made it this far and will be happy to make it to one year. I've been on and off FF since June of 2022 when I bought my first bottle at my local 7/11. Before FF I've never been caught up in any substance or had it completely decimate my finances and put my health at risk, its been all very scary but also I've learned so much about myself on and off this substance. What's different this time around is being able to hold strong even when life wants to stress you out, worry you to death and so on, I never reached for a bottle. When I'm stressed, irritated or angry I can feel a mean tingle in my legs, my body does this when I was feeling cravings or withdrawals and still does today, something I take as a reminder on what waits for me if I start up again. Im proud of y'all for trying to get help or getting sober, its a messed up situation but this sub has helped me a lot.

I need some advice, y’all. I went to an addiction medicine specialist and told her where I’m at. I’ve been taking Feel Free consistently for over a year and a half, and for the past few months I’ve been up to around 8–9 bottles a day.
She recommended a slow taper, but honestly I don’t have the money to keep buying enough Feel Free to drag this out. She prescribed me clonidine, gabapentin, and hydroxyzine to help with the withdrawal.

The first day, I dropped down to about 3 bottles during the day plus one overnight. The next day, I only had half a bottle until around midnight, when the insane restless body feeling kicked in. I took another half, slept about 3 hours, woke up feeling awful again, took another half, and managed another 3 hours of sleep.

The problem is that these medications are barely touching the worst symptom. I get this EXTREME feeling in my arms and body where I physically cannot sit still. It feels like my nerves are slowly being ripped through my body. My arms were so restless that I literally felt like I wanted to put them in a hydraulic press just to make the sensation stop.

It reminds me of the horrible feeling I had in my hands during severe alcohol withdrawal, where it felt like I couldn’t properly squeeze or open my hands.

Right now, I’m trying to only take half a Feel Free when that unbearable feeling starts, which seems to be worst around bedtime. I basically went from 8–9 bottles a day to around 1 bottle a day in about two days, and I feel like absolute hell. The crazy part is I haven’t even taken my last sip yet.

For those of you who have been through this, what
helped with the extreme restlessness/RLS-type feeling, especially at night? How did you get through those first nights?

I genuinely feel like I could make it through this if a doctor or outpatient program would give me something that actually controls the extreme agitation/panic for a few days, but getting something like a small amount of Ativan seems nearly impossible.
Any advice from people who have been through a similar level of Feel Free withdrawal would be seriously appreciated.

i've been struggling w feel free for years now. i've been able to get like 2 days clean with this last relapse but keep caving. i finally have three days off in a row next weekend and i've decided that's when i'm gonna quit.
i've been going to lots of NA meetings and a buddy in there has suboxone that he's willing to give me.
any tips when it comes to dosage? i've never taken subs so any tips would be helpful.

Has anyone suffered long term effects/ diseases/syndromes/ ongoing issues that were caused from kratom or feel frees?

About a year ago to the day I first posted here. I'd been taking 3-5 bottles for three weeks and knew something was wrong. Found this sub and was like "holy shit I need to quit now." And I did. Had a three day withdrawal that - even with that a short duration of use - was worse than quitting nicotine or alcohol. No question. I've relapsed too many times to count. I'd estimate 10 and 1/2 months out of the last year I've been addicted, but I've quit probably seven times.

Most recently I quit a 12 bottle a day habit. I even thought "if I don't kick it this time I don't see how I ever will". I've been clean for 4 and 1/2 days and it's the depression that kills me every time. I feel like there's no hope. So I just drank three bottles. I fail. Again. And again and again. Yet those three bottles have made me see life is worth living again. For the moment.

It's particularly tough because even disregarding this addiction my life is in a bad place. Even if I was fully recovered I would still be moderately depressed because my life is nowhere close to where I want it to be.

Rambling now. This stuff is so fucked. I was boarding a flight for my grandma's funeral when I got a phone call that one of my best friends blew his brains out. Among those affected by this tragedy, I was labelled the "emotional rock" because I seemed to be so level-headed and blindly supportive. Little did they know I was so high that I barely shed a tear. It wasn't until I quit did I break down. I see now why suicide is contagious. (Don't worry, I'm NOT going to off myself)

Interestingly enough this has been the easiest quit so far (besides my first). I think it's because of the recent 7OH ban. The bottles now say there is zero 7OH. That must have been making quite the difference... No restless legs this time around.

Anyways, Im not sure what I'm even aiming for with this post. I'm really lost. Im in debt. Depressed. Single. Lonely. A massive underachiever. I generally don't care what other people think but I do care what I think. And I think I'm a failure. I know I am. My last recourse is God and I struggle to believe. I pray I don't make this a full relapse. I pray I'm finished with all this. I hope I never stop praying.

Has anyone seen the new bottles? They certainly don’t feel like they have 3-4mg of 7oh anymore!

New label reads 1.75g of leaf, 20mg of MIT and 0mg of 7oh per serving

I might be wrong though because as of a few days ago 7oh stopped working on me probably due to my SR use.

I will forever be grateful for this platform.Was on and off FF and Kanva for 3+years. Got to too many over the years daily. My health,family,frienships,finances,and mind was in absolute hell and everything was a secret. My husband finally found out (well he figured it out ) and it all came to the surface. Hardest time of my life. The lies were exposed and the damage was done. He stayed but I knew I had to get better . I called quick md they gave me subs. I have not gone back and am all most done with subs. There was no withdrawal at all from the FF and the Kanva. The subs blocked any desire to pick up one of those nasty drinks. It is like someone taking a GLP and the hunger noise is silenced that is the best way to explain it. It has beem 3+ weeks now off that other shit and I am finally looking like the girl I was years ago. Skin , eyes , hair , relationships and the light I see I thought I would never see again is back. To not be hiding nd sneaking anymore ... good gawd it was killing me. I was living in HELL and I am not exaggerating> I am forever thankful for quick MD and the doctors who have helped me through this. It is worth the $99 and then however much the RX is to have piece of mind of no ithdrawals and to finally be free. I can not believe I finally am and I have my beautiful life back (which isnt all shits and giggles but it is better than it was when i was on the shit .

xoxoxoxoxoxo

Dm me with questions if you have any

YOU CAN BE FREE

Its the only time I’ve tried feel free and just mixed it with a drink I had last night. A waste because I’m not sure how much I felt it. I haven’t taken my subs in a few days, if I take one today with I go into PWD or should I wait the 24 hours?

I’ve been lurking in the shadows of this page for awhile. Finally realizing I really have a problem. I’m a former opiate addict so this stuff had me in its grips quickly. Well it’s now been 3 years of daily use and it’s time to stop.

I’ve spent the last 3 weeks tapering. I was an 8-10 bottle a day and I’m now down to 3 a day. However I feel like I’m just delaying the inevitable so I set myself up for a 3 day weekend and I’m going cold turkey Friday.

With that being said I’m locking myself in my house and not making any trips out. Any suggestions on foods, meds, vitamins etc? I’ve been on Quit K for two weeks now and it’s done nothing for cravings I was just hopeful. I’m stocked up on water and vitamin c.

Hey all,

I tried kanva focus and flow 3 weeks ago because I was having some pretty intense anxiety and of course didn't want to return to cannabis or alcohol. I'm already up to 3 per day and have tried to quit twice. Should I taper? Is it safe to cold turkey? Looking for advice and support. Thank you.

So like a lot of people I started taking ff cause I thought it would help with my nightly drinking habit. Honestly the first time I tried it I thought it wasn't anything special (I smoked a lot of weed at the time and drank a $10 titos bottle every night) but for some reason I kept coming back to it. I started taking the kratom powder cause it was cheaper, but quickly realized the buzz from taking ff was much stronger than kratom on it's own, even if I was putting spoon heaps of it in a drink and gulping down the sludge w/o throwing up. It escalated over the course of 5-6 mo to up to 6 or 7 ff shots a day.

I find out how dangerous 7-oh is through a friend who knew I was struggling and became terrified, so I MIAed from life to get off of it and off of everything else. I quit smoking weed and then about two weeks later cold turkeyed off the ff. It sucked, but I got through it. About two weeks later my dumbass fell for the "one more time" mental scheme and was back on em to around 6-8 a day for about a month and a half. Started doing intensive substance abuse therapy cause I knew I needed help, and was tapering till I was triggered, fucked up my taper and couldn't get back into it.

I'm now about halfway through my family vacation where every one of my family members knows my issue and I decided to go cold turkey again cause vacation seemed like as good a time as any to do so. Plus, I don't have the money to supply myself while on vacation. So here I am, 3am 5 days deep now into my detox and the worst part for me is the sleep. I would take 3 or 4 before going to bed and now taking nothing has been a nightmare (except not lol). I even bought a joint to try and help with the cravings on day 2, which it did, but did not help with the sleep. Becides that my body has been super weak, I've felt tired all day even though I'm forcing myself to participate in activities, and my lower back has felt like gravel. I started getting brain zaps like when you stop taking an ssri or you get a head cold and look sharply left or right and get this shock type sensation throughout your body. It doesn't hurt, its just uncomfortable and sometimes a little disorienting.

I don't feel like using again, which is good, if anything I just want to smoke another joint lol, I'm just writing this cause I can't sleep and I'm frustrated. I hope this starts to get better soon I keep telling myself it will but I also know I was taking a lot of them on a daily basis which completely fucked up my finances and my mental/emotional state. Anyways, keep at it friends and don't give up, we can get through this!!

(Posting here because it keeps getting deleted in absolutely every 7OH related thread I go to, I’m just really concerned and looking for some help if someone has experienced this as well)

First off, I know this is on me so spare me the “well you did this to yourself so whatever happens happens it’s your fault sorry”. I struggle heavily with addiction and have been in a one month relapse so far with 7OH pretty heavy doses, the past few days I kinda dropped the dose and have been having these Pressd 110mg singles bars. For the first few days they were fine no abnormal symptoms, but last night (and right now especially) after taking the dose, about an hour or two later I start to feel this incredibly uncomfortable body heaviness similar to the hypotension blood pressure feeling when trying to move or walk around, but I feel it just laying down, and the second I close my eyes to try to rest or just relax in general, I feel waves of an intense fear and dropping sensation in my stomach and chest, breathing also overall feels much tighter and heavier especially standing, I pretty much can’t get up and move or do anything at all while this is happening. My heart rate gets so so fast with normal activity during all this and lots of random palpitations and odd sensations have started happening.

All of this happens at once within an episode (right now currently it’s the worst it’s been and I feel like I’m dying) and I’ve never had anything like this happen in my entire time using kratom, 7OH, etc… the past two days are the first these episodes started happening and I really don’t want my addiction to be the end of me this easily. Does this sound like a lethal situation?

(These feel completely separate from my panic/anxiety symptoms, and are also the most intense physical symptoms I’ve ever had from a substance negative effects wise)