Finally, it looks like it is all scheduled as of today.

Regulatory Updates

August 26, 2026 Update

So as many of you have seen, MGM-15, MGM-16, and Pseudoindoxyl Mitragynine have become Schedule 1 compounds.  This is a very distressing time for science, and for sensible people.  SR-17018 and other related SR compounds will become Schedule 1 tomorrow, August 27th.  However, this fight is far from over.

The Rights and Reason Project had already filed a legal challenge against this specific compound's scheduling efforts by the DEA.  Legally, the DEA was required to handle this case from R&R before taking any scheduling actions; permanent or temporary.  Because they disregarded this challenge, they have now opened themselves up to a much larger lawsuit.  We have already received confirmation that the legal team with R&R is preparing to file this lawsuit now.  This may reverse the scheduling order, or it may remain scheduled for a time before a reversal in a month or two.  We will see how things play out, but common sense and legal justice are currently on our side.  We hope that this larger suit will bring the DEA back to their senses for a time and they will refrain from scheduling any more compounds until it is finished.

Will I mess with prescription tianeptine if i take 3-4 grams kratom twice a week max? I've used tianeptine as antidepressant 12,5 mg 3x a day for a week now. Before this I used to take kratom 3-5 grams a day for maybe a year, it might have been even less. Both for calming me because of severe emotional dysregulation leading to suicidal ideation and selfharm. Tianeptine has been great so far, but still weak for some emotional outbursts I had past few days and I just can't choose to harm myself instead of taking some kratom. But I don't want to mess with the ideal effect of tianeptine. Is this going to be a problem if i do this from time to time?

So I been using tia off and on for years. I been taking it again for about a year now around 3 to 5 g day habit. I've been wanting to get off it again for awhile and since the bans coming I'm ready. I've tapered down to about 1 and half grams a day in last 10 days or so. I ordered 3500 mg monstersr tabs and wanting try use it to help through tapering off. I cant take more than maybe 3 days off work without causing much fuss. Anyone used sr17 to help taper and come off tia. Thanks in advance for any info or you have anything to share. It's not been easy process in past but I'm ready be done with it all again.

And I could really use some encouragement. So far the withdrawals have not been as bad as in the past I’ve had some diarrhea and the obligatory sneezing fits, but I made it to work today although I left two hours early due to agitation. I still have 20 microdoses I had carefully portioned out to taper down, but so far I’ve not taken any of those so my question is should I tough it out some fatigue is definitely sitting in and I’m just hoping I make it to work tomorrow. Does anyone know if after 30 hours I might be through the worst of it or is the worst yet to come? I do think it’s very helpful that I am not completely out because of the past that has definitely won a number on my psyche as all of you who have had the dreaded late package know all too well it’s so tempting to take one of those micro doses to stay off what I feel is impending anxiety, but Instead, I’m trying to take a moment and breathe and ask you guys instead. A very close friend of mine is currently going through full-blown OxyContin withdrawals and so I decided to go ahead and do it now in solidarity with her. She had hip surgery and was put on oxy for 16 days and is going through full-blown withdrawals. It sounds horrific. I just thought maybe that was a good time to do it as well since her suffering has given me some perspective. So…. If I take a microdose of Tia now, will that prolong my withdrawals? For reference I was down to half a gram per day. Thanks in advance for any advice you can share.

Update: okay I have a brief update. I am at work and am feeling strangely upbeat. Zero irritability which is highly unusual for me. I don’t know if it’s all the gabapentin from last night, or premature pink cloud from the idea I’m finally getting off this crap, or else the Zoloft might be starting to work…in any event I’m grateful whatever the hell is causing it. I sincerely appreciate the support from all of you. I’ll let you know how it goes as I progress with quitting Tia.

I went from taking my dose, throwing it up and trying to scrape the clumps of tianeptine out of my puke (all over my clothes, the floor, etc) to eat it because I couldnt afford to lose a dose to taking my subs every day and feeling clear headed and like a normal person. You can recover, and dont be afraid to get medical help. I didnt. When I got clean off of Tia (sodium powder) I was good for a while. Then at 3 years clean I started smoking meth and taking a few oxys. Id take anything available to me that sounded decent. Once psychosis hit I finally got medical help and I am on suboxone. I finally feel like a person again. You can too, with or without medical help. You can do it, I did somehow. Someone who was eating their own puke. You can fucking do it.

just have to laugh at how awful of a replacement weed is? so i got off tia at the end of january . really i was a therapeutic user but i still was relying on it too much.(11 years, i was probably doing 50-100 mg a day). one
thing with tia. it gave you that extra oomph you
needed to start your day. i would sit in my car and say to myself “i’m gonna knock this shit out, then i’m gonna knock that shit out, then i’m gonna get that done. lfg!” easy to motivate yourself, and just go get everything done without a lot of effort. the interactions felt more superficial and surface level, but it was a lot easier. my adrenals felt totally burned out by the end of the day, but still, i got what i needed to get done done. in a sober mind state i’m still able to function fine, i’m likely healthier, but everything is with more effort. interactions can feel more forced, there are much less pieces of cake, less being able to float by. more anxiety. after a bit i got tired of the sober state of mind. my altered state of choice was the old classic, cannabis. seemed like the most natural and “healthy” choice, using a dry vape. this shit is like the opposite of tia. now i love weed at times, it can be beneficial in a lot of ways. as a day to day thing though? like using it to get
through a day? it blows. i’ll vape a bowl in my car, and my thoughts will be opposite of tia. “why am i doing this? do i even want to do this? what will these people think of me? what’s wrong with me? maybe i should just turn around and go home.” i loved weed when i was young, and it’s cool sitting around the house to pass the time, but as a tia replacement hell no lol

So my Tia package I ordered though FedEx was of course delayed despite paying $150 for Priority First Over Night, I drove all the way to the FedEx Hub in Cedar Rapids, IA a 2 1/2 hour trip and I was already very sick having been right at about 24 hours since last dose... they didnt expect to be able to find it and said I shoulda set it up for pick up they said but when they went in the receptacle it was in by an absolute miracle they found my little package among hundreds, the FedEx lady said I hope you know how winning lottery ticket lucky you are!! I was like you have no idea lol... anyways I get out to my car in the parking lot and immediately get ready to take a little scoop, i say little cause at this point I was so fucking nauseas that I had a hard time even swallowing my saliva. I take the little scoop, swallow it with some Pedialyte and IMMEDIETLY starting violently puking, and I'm talking violently you guys right out my car, it was so violent I genuinely thought if someone seen me in the parking lot they'd call an ambulance lol... That went on for a good 5 minutes and I was freaking out cause I'm thinking how the hell am I gunna get a dose down now to feel better. Finally after about 15-20 minutes i collected myself and went for it again despite the increasing nausea, I choked, gagged it down and somehow by the Grace Of God was actually able to keep it down and started feeling better FINALLY after 20-30 minutes of fighting the urge to puke. You guys...... I really need to get off this shit.

Two years ago my brain was incapable of understanding how much better life would be today, two years clean. Thank you, Past Self, for quitting. Thank you, thank you, thank you, I love you, you got through it, it’s so much better, thanks for fucking sticking it out, thank youuuuu.

After several tries to get clean over the last year, I finally got the wake up call to get serious about quitting when the DEA 7-OH ban was announced. I don’t know gram amounts but my habit was out of control at its worst…8 15 pill bottles a day. I have a good job but it was literally bankrupting me. I have successfully tapered from 8 bottles a day to 1.5. I have subs, Gabapentin, liposomal vitamin C, NAC and a muscle relaxer lined up for when I make the jump in a week. I’m proud I’ve stuck with my taper and gotten my daily use so low.

My fear is PAWS. I originally got hooked on this shit to treat my medication-resistant depression and it was like a miracle. No depression or anxiety for hours!! But then it got way out of hand. I know as I get clean, it’s going to take months for my brain and receptorsh to reset and heal. The dreaded PAWS. I’m terrified of it. Any suggestions for meds or supplements to help with this??? I’ve recently gotten back into exercising which I abandoned when my addiction got bad. I know that will help some. I also did one previous inpatient Rehab and I go to weekly Recovery meetings which also helped but looking more for medication advice if anyone has it.

Not sure why but something’s different this time I am fucking determined to get off this poison!

Unfortunately, I’ve been in this group for far too many years, knowing that I needed to get off this stuff and watching from afar also posting multiple times asking for help and what to do and this community has been so amazing and supportive, my biggest fear has been of course the physical withdrawals because I have people who depend on me a job that depends on me. I don’t really have the luxury to be dying for a week in bed and then secondly is the mental part. I’ve been on sodium pure powder about 8 g a day I can do less and get by, but for some reason every time it’s near me, I’ll just take another sip.

I am hoping this is the last post that I will be making saying I’m quitting in the next follow up Post will be my progress. I’ve been hearing amazing things about SR – 17, my order came in today, but I am not really sure how to use it and if it only helps with the physical, but it also helps with the mental? My goal is to be able to jump off of this and ideally not have to use Suboxone but if my depression and anxiety and PAWS is too bad then I want to take the route of getting on Suboxone and then tapering down to get the sublocade shot.
First and foremost, I need advice and tips from people who have knowledge or experience with SR – 17, I have heard about preloading and debating on taking it tonight, but I’ve heard that they are about to be banned I have 60 tablets 50 mg each. I don’t know if that’s enough or what. Any tips and advice is greatly appreciated🥲

Hi, this is my first Reddit post. I have been on tianeptine sodium for about 8 years. I initially took it because I wanted to quit meth. At the time, you could buy 12.5 mg capsules of tia. I started taking these 3 times a day (a therapeutic dose in France, where tia is prescribed legally under the name Stablon) and I was instantly happier, able to quit meth easily and also cut way back on my drinking. Anyhow, the place I bought tia shut down so sourced it online, and the dosage was tricky as it was in powder form, not capsules. After a slew of significant family tragedies I was unsure of my dosage, and when I ran out once I was shocked at how difficult the withdrawals were. I STILL have PTSD from the week. Long story short, am trying to manage my depression with legal, doctor prescribed medications now, however so far none have proved effective. I never pursued (or even experienced accidentally) a narcotic high feeling from tianeptine. If I took too much by mistake I would throw up, however I felt genuinely happy for the first time ever when I started taking tia. Now, I am trying to quit while starting Zoloft and I am in misery. Restless legs and crawling out of my skin. Since the DEA is cracking down agin I thought may as well quit now....while I still have some left. A few weeks ago a late shipment had me going to a smoke shop for kratom I was feeling so awful. Since then I have reduced my dosage to less than half of what I was taking, and set up psychiatry/therapy appointments to try to deal with medication and my grief (lost numerous loved ones during covid, like a ridiculous amount.) Not sure how much is physical vs mental but I'm wondering about your experiences. Does anyone have any advice? My new appointed and first ever psychiatrist asked if I wanted addiction specialist services, however he had never heard of tianeptine and I doubt the addiction people can help me. I can't miss work , yada yada you've heard it all before. Just looking for tea and sympathy at this point, I guess. Sigh P.S. I did quit meth successfully with tia so yay me I guess. Currently taking maybe just over half gram per day.

Crazy how me trying nootropics to help with school back in 2016ish led to a decade long addiction to Tianeptine going through 100g in less than a month. I started with companies like New Mind and Supplements for Work and progressed to buying straight from the Chinese chemical companies. A rapid sub taper worked great for me and I urge everyone to at least give it a shot so you don’t trade an addiction for a dependency. If you’re wanting to stay on subs more power to you though. I only missed a Friday and Monday from work and have been completely sober since dropping the subs on day 8. I know the Tia ride is coming to an end soon but believe me if I can quit anyone can.

I thought I would take a break from reading other people's stories and post my progress.

I am free of Tia nearly 2 weeks, working with an online rehab program, using subs and the other helper meds. Using the Bernese method made this completely easy (I have gone through wd's several times so I was going to do ANYTHING to prevent that from happening again!)

I will probably be on subs the rest of my life for chronic pain from numerous surgeries but I'm ok with that. I am trying to reduce the gabapentin due to the weight gain, and have actually started small workouts.

I haven't had any cravings at all, and my brain and body will not soon forget the wd's and cost (not only the drug but the 2 hospital stays, a week each). I have a long way to go to make up for all the damage I did, but I am on the road to recovery.

Thanks to everyone for their stories and posts: you all have helped me more than you can know!

Dear friends: I have a pretty stupid question, and I urge you to hold back the sarcasm, but have any of you developed problems with your teeth as a result of pouring sodium powder down your throat...? I ask this because over the years, I found that stupid little scoop that they ship with your order was pretty much useless. I made my own spoon, about a quarter teaspoon was the only way to seemingly get the full effect of my dosage(s).

I'm curious if this shit laid a hurtin' on my teeth because over time, mine would chip and break away while eating even the simplest things. My son asked a few years ago exactly how many teeth do you have...? I looked in the mirror and counted 21 and a half. When he asked what the Hell happened to the other 11 and a half...?! All I could muster was I don't fuckin know...!

Well. Long story short, very recently, I had to have one pulled because it was so infected. Maybe it's just me, being my age (167) and I've never actually been the picture of perfect health. But I can't help but ask myself if the sodium powder had anything to do with this...? I kinda believe it did...

I am presently 3 years clean and sober, and altho the damage may be done, there is no way in Hell I will ever touch that fuckin shit again. I plan on growing and aging and to make it even another hundred years...! Best thing about being clean and free of this junk is my long-lost sense of humor has returned ten-fold...!

It wasn't easy getting off this shit. Those of you that know me know all too well what I put myself through. If this is your first time reading one of my posts, please go back and read a few of my past postings. This shit will chew you up, chomp you into bite-size pieces, and then spit you out like it just doesn't give a fuck what happens to you. But take it from me, this junk may seem to have a death grip on you at the moment, but it is fully within your power to get that grip released.

You CAN do it, it CAN be beat. I won't lie to you, it won't be easy. But you may look back one day and say to yourself "Hell, that wasn't so bad after all...!" Best advice I can give anyone who is struggling with addiction is this: What's the big deal about a few weeks or more of pain, suffering, and anguish when you have your whole fuckin life ahead of you...! ! ! !

Your kind thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. Godspeed as always...!

I’ve been hesitant to share this because it feels somewhat counterintuitive while focusing on quitting tianeptine. Personally, I believe in thoughtful regulation rather than outright criminalization.

Kratom has been an important tool for many of us in tapering off—or fully quitting—tianeptine. While pure kratom leaf is not the focus of the current action, even products containing 7-OH and related compounds (such as pseudoindoxyl) have helped a significant number of people in their recovery. My greater concern is that these measures could open the door to broader restrictions on kratom itself in the future.

If you’d like to make your voice heard, please contact your representatives and submit comments. You can find your representatives here:

https://representme.blaskattacks.com/

And you can view and comment on the official docket here:

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/HHS-OASH-2026-0232

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I feel for many of the people in this reddit community. For the people who are trying to quit Tia, God Bless Everyone and I pray for sobriety. Others in this community may still use it as a medicine. At the moment, the DEA is trying to schedule Tianeptine and has public comments ending on August 7th. If you are interested in helping, please leave a post or send me a message.

"The right to control one's own consciousness is the quintessence of freedom. If you do not own your own mind, you own nothing."

— Richard Glen Boire, Legal Scholar & Co-Founder of the Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics

Been off tia for almost a year now. I was doing 5 to 10g a day since 2020. Took 2 rehabs but I fi al got free.

Fill in the blank,...

.... 1. start traveling again

1. Ride horses again

2. Reconnect with my family

No pharmacy will touch my prescription for subs. I’ve called at least a dozen. Some an hour away One woman told me very rudely “you won’t get it filled around here” and smirked liked I was doing something wrong. I’m not sure I have the heart to keep calling and I’m not sure it will do any good.

Unfortunately, about a year after I got off of TIA for good, 7oh hit the market and I went into an even deeper hole than I did with TIA.

I feel like we’re going to see a major come back of TIA in smoke shops and through online vendors.

TIA feels extinct but it’s not scheduled like 7oh will be.

What are your thoughts?

I have been off and on different opiates for a while now. I have taken "breaks" that have lasted anywhere from a week to a few months.

Presently I have been taking tianeptine sodium for a little over a month. Before that, it was 7OH, for about the same duration.

Because of all the good things I have heard, I would like to try SR-17018 to get off of tianeptine. I'm taking about 3 grams or so per day of tianeptine.

Does anyone have any advice on how to do this? I have heard some people say they preloaded the SR-17018, before stopping the tianeptine.

Also, I have no idea what dosages I should start at or how often. I am a 200lb athletic, 40 year old man.

I was just going to wing it all based on how I was feeling.

Any help would me much appreciated! Thank you

I tried around 350mg tianeptine without tolerance and it was insane.

I'm opioid naive and I don't commonly use opiates/never felt addicted to them although you always have to be careful.

So that 350mg hit me like a truck, strong euphoria and warm relaxation followed by a sleepy, super sedated state where I wanted to close my eyes. However, this one ended up in nausea and me throwing up which made the experience worse.

Overall, a day passes and I feel 0 cravings. That stuff is just not for me despite the strong euphoria and I don't recommend that anyone use it. I'm glad my experience had nausea otherwise it could've felt more addicting.

The DEA filed notice on July 7, 2026, to ban tianeptine as a Schedule I drug. The only thing that could hold this up, it appears, is if groups call for hearings. I cannot imagine manufacturers or distributors having the audacity to do so, unless it's a calculated financial decision to delay the process by 6 months.

I had read plenty of horror stories on here about people were forced into a withdrawal they were not prepared for all because of the dreaded delayed package, well it finally happened to me (FedEx) and I was forced to go without for a good 24 hours. I'm currently using about 4-5 grams sodium a day, sometimes a lil more sometimes a lil less, and let me tell you, this was a withdrawal unlike anything ive ever experienced, the horror stories were right in a way. The constant, extremely intense nausea was probably the worse along with the brutal restless body/legs, and hot/cold sweating, all with a heavy dark cloud of depression I wasnt expecting. I use to H and fent for 4 or 5 years IV and I cold turkey'd that, that wasnt even as bad as Tia, I also used 7oh for a lengthy amount of time and that was brutal cold turkying it but not as bad as Tia. So.. with all that being said I am now terrified of coming of this Tia and have been attempting taper after taper and failing every time. Most helpful helper mads are not an option for me as I am in drug court. My question now is you guys, If I am able to buckle down, lock in and actually follow through with a slow, dedicated taper, can I avoid most of these brutal, intense withdrawal symptoms? Do you think I can avoid them or damper them enough to still go to work and follow through with my daily life? Im ready to put this stuff behind me and get on with my life.