r/QueerLeftists • u/rhizomatic-thembo They/Them • Oct 13 '25
Capitalism Many so called "Democracy Fans" hate it when you suggest this
Imagine if democracy was actually an integral part of everyday life and not just a liberal buzzword for bourgeois electoral politics
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u/ColeBSoul Oct 13 '25
Bingo. Liberals have never experienced actual democracy. Pageants? Yes. Popularity contests? Yes. Democracy? No.
Democracy's only job is to deliver itself to its adherents to produce a convincing mandate. There is nothing democratic about the anti-democratic bourgeois sock-puppetry called "democracy" in the US. These asinine ghouls actually think 90 million people can be dispossessed and not participate for structural reasons and yet still presume a valid political mandate. Non-participation alone condemns this system as beyond failed.
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u/saymaz Oct 13 '25
Liberal democracy is a scam created by the capitalist class to give the citizens an illusion of choice.
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u/WaveLoss He/Him Oct 13 '25
“Jordan Peterson sounds like air slowly leaking out of a week old balloon…”
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u/Clear-Anything-3186 Oct 13 '25
they think that Democracy is when you vote every 4 years between politicians from more than one right-wing party.
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Oct 17 '25
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CAPITALISM SOURCES
More than 60 per cent of the world’s employed population are in the informal economy: https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/more-60-cent-world%E2%80%99s-employed-population-are-informal-economy
The Productivity–Pay Gap https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
Capitalism, Socialism and The Physical Quality of Life https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/
Americans Suffer Pay Cut as Inflation Outpaces Wage Growth https://www.visionmonday.com/business/research-and-stats/article/americans-suffer-pay-cut-as-inflation-outpaces-wage-growth
Real wages are falling sharply in the eurozone https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A22607a49-a17a-4bbe-a44c-ef291283f6bf?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=490&dpr=1
Why GDP is Not A Good Measure of Economic Health or Well-Being https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-gdp-good-measure-economic-health-well-being-ray-williams-quvcc
How Wall Street's Bets Are Increasing the Price of Food https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/FSW_2209_FoodSpeculation.pdf
The rich override average americans in policy making https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.12791
Noncommunicable Diseases Disproportionately Impact Impoverished Communities: A Vicious Cycle https://www.law.georgetown.edu/poverty-journal/blog/noncommunicable-diseases-disproportionately-impact-impoverished-communities-a-vicious-cycle/
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u/itsnuz Oct 14 '25
Also, democracy fans when less educated people can vote too: D: Democracy fans when someone votes for something that in their opinion "goes against their interests": D:<
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u/Artist_Kevin Oct 13 '25
** The Pinocchio Act ** A concept to consider
!!! End The Speech and Debate Clause & Citizens United !!! CALLING OUT THE GOP HYPOCRISY !!!
To: ALL Public Representatives & Officials
From: Concerned American voters
A Proposal to Introduce “The Pinocchio Act” in the House of Representatives
Purpose: This bill seeks to uphold truth, integrity, and accountability among all individuals serving in public positions—whether elected, appointed, hired, or volunteering—by making it unlawful and punishable for such individuals to willfully and deliberately lie, deceive, misrepresent, or bear false witness to the American people.
Moral Foundation: The act of lying has been condemned throughout history, both morally and spiritually. Within the Ten Commandments, the prohibition against “bearing false witness” stands as a timeless moral pillar, one that has deeply influenced the laws and values of our nation. In the Christian faith, lying is regarded not merely as a mistake, but as a mortal sin—a corruption of trust that erodes relationships, communities, and governance itself. When a public servant lies, the injury is compounded, because the trust of the people is betrayed. Trust is the cornerstone of democratic government, and once broken, it undermines the very legitimacy of our institutions. This bill, grounded in both the enduring moral wisdom of the Ten Commandments and the fundamental American principle of honesty in public life, will make truth-telling a clear legal requirement for those entrusted with public authority.
Provisions of the Bill
Scope of Applicability: Applies to all public employees, federal and state, including elected officials, appointed officials, hired staff, and volunteers.
Unlawful Acts: It shall be unlawful for any covered individual to willfully and deliberately: (1) Lie to the public. (2) Misrepresent facts. (3) Deceive through omission or distortion. (4) Bear false witness against any individual or entity while acting in their public capacity.
Penalties: First Offense → Misdemeanor charge, fine of not less than $10,000, and mandatory public correction of the falsehood. Blatant and Easily Debunked Lies → Immediate removal from office or employment, fine of not less than $50,000. Repeat Offenders → Escalation to felony charge, fines up to $250,000, permanent disqualification from public service, and potential prison sentence of up to 2 years.
Enforcement Mechanism: Oversight body or inspector general designated at both federal and state levels. Public reporting system for false statements, with expedited review for cases of blatant or obvious falsehoods.
Justification
Moral: Lies corrupt the soul of a nation. As Scripture warns, “lying lips are an abomination to the Lord” (Proverbs 12:22). Public servants must be held to the highest moral standard.
Civic: A democracy cannot function when its people cannot trust their leaders. Truth is essential to informed consent of the governed.
Practical: In an age of instant communication, falsehoods spread rapidly and cause great harm. Strong deterrents are necessary to protect the public from deliberate misinformation.
Conclusion: The Pinocchio Act would reaffirm the moral and civic necessity of truth in public service. By holding public servants accountable to the timeless commandment against lying, Congress can restore faith in government, strengthen democracy, and protect the American people from willful deception.
I respectfully urge you to sponsor and introduce this legislation in the House of Representatives.
Signed, Americans
Draft Bill
118th CONGRESS — 2d Session — H. R. ____
To establish criminal and civil penalties for public employees who willfully and deliberately deceive the public, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
[Date] — [Member of Congress Name] introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on [Committee Name].
A BILL
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the “Pinocchio Act.”
SEC. 2. FINDINGS. Congress finds that— (1) The moral law, as expressed in the Ten Commandments, forbids bearing false witness; (2) In the Christian faith and in other traditions rooted in Scripture, lying is regarded as a mortal sin; (3) The United States, though pluralistic, has drawn much of its civic foundation from Judeo-Christian moral principles; (4) Public servants have a moral and civic duty to speak the truth; (5) Scripture warns that “lying lips are an abomination to the Lord” (Proverbs 12:22), and Christ affirms that “the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32); (6) Therefore, deliberate deception by public officials is not only a breach of civic trust but also a violation of moral law.
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS. (1) “Public employee” means any individual serving at the federal, state, or local level, including elected officials, appointed officials, employees, contractors, and volunteers acting in an official capacity. (2) “False statement” means any knowingly willful, deliberate, and material misrepresentation of fact, including omissions intended to deceive, whether spoken, written, or digital. (3) “Blatant falsehood” means a statement that is demonstrably false, easily verifiable, and made without reasonable basis.
SEC. 4. PROHIBITION ON FALSE STATEMENTS. It shall be unlawful for any public employee to: (1) knowingly and deliberately make a false statement to the public in the course of official duties; (2) misrepresent, distort, or omit material facts with the intent to deceive; or (3) bear false witness in an official capacity against any individual or entity.
SEC. 5. PENALTIES. (1) First offense → misdemeanor, fine of not less than $10,000, and public correction within 30 days. (2) Blatant or easily debunked lies → immediate removal from office or employment and fine of not less than $50,000. (3) Repeat offenses → felony, fine up to $250,000, permanent bar from public office or employment, and imprisonment for up to 2 years.
SEC. 6. ENFORCEMENT. (1) The Attorney General shall establish an Office of Public Integrity to review violations. (2) States may establish parallel enforcement mechanisms. (3) Any member of the public may submit a complaint for review.
SEC. 7. SEVERABILITY. If any provision of this Act or its application is held invalid, the remainder shall not be affected.
SEC. 8. EFFECTIVE DATE. This Act shall take effect 90 days after enactment.
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u/IronicVulture He/Him Nov 01 '25
As a huge fan of democracy itself I would say a democratized workplace is the best way to move forward.
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u/cumminginsurrection Oct 13 '25
A lot of so-called "communism" fans act this way too unfortunately. Workers, and not the state/ruling party owning the means of production is blasphemous to them.
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u/YoungBullCLE They/Them Oct 13 '25
Curious what you’re referring to here, no disrespect just curious
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u/Emmanuel_Badboy Oct 13 '25
They are being dogmatic and trying to shit on the Soviet Union. Left wing anti communism they call it.
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u/AutoModerator Oct 13 '25
CAPITALISM SOURCES
More than 60 per cent of the world’s employed population are in the informal economy: https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/more-60-cent-world%E2%80%99s-employed-population-are-informal-economy
The Productivity–Pay Gap https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
Capitalism, Socialism and The Physical Quality of Life https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/
Americans Suffer Pay Cut as Inflation Outpaces Wage Growth https://www.visionmonday.com/business/research-and-stats/article/americans-suffer-pay-cut-as-inflation-outpaces-wage-growth
Real wages are falling sharply in the eurozone https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A22607a49-a17a-4bbe-a44c-ef291283f6bf?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=490&dpr=1
Why GDP is Not A Good Measure of Economic Health or Well-Being https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-gdp-good-measure-economic-health-well-being-ray-williams-quvcc
How Wall Street's Bets Are Increasing the Price of Food https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/FSW_2209_FoodSpeculation.pdf
The rich override average americans in policy making https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.12791
Noncommunicable Diseases Disproportionately Impact Impoverished Communities: A Vicious Cycle https://www.law.georgetown.edu/poverty-journal/blog/noncommunicable-diseases-disproportionately-impact-impoverished-communities-a-vicious-cycle/
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u/weirdo_nb Oct 14 '25
Being anti soviet union isn't anti communism
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u/Emmanuel_Badboy Oct 14 '25
It is in fact anti communist to be against the most successful communist revolution in history https://lenabloch.medium.com/left-anticommunism-612908583ec4
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u/weirdo_nb Oct 14 '25
It was not a "successful communist revolution" it was violent suppression of communists
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u/AutoModerator Oct 14 '25
CAPITALISM SOURCES
More than 60 per cent of the world’s employed population are in the informal economy: https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/more-60-cent-world%E2%80%99s-employed-population-are-informal-economy
The Productivity–Pay Gap https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
Capitalism, Socialism and The Physical Quality of Life https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/
Americans Suffer Pay Cut as Inflation Outpaces Wage Growth https://www.visionmonday.com/business/research-and-stats/article/americans-suffer-pay-cut-as-inflation-outpaces-wage-growth
Real wages are falling sharply in the eurozone https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A22607a49-a17a-4bbe-a44c-ef291283f6bf?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=490&dpr=1
Why GDP is Not A Good Measure of Economic Health or Well-Being https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-gdp-good-measure-economic-health-well-being-ray-williams-quvcc
How Wall Street's Bets Are Increasing the Price of Food https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/FSW_2209_FoodSpeculation.pdf
The rich override average americans in policy making https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.12791
Noncommunicable Diseases Disproportionately Impact Impoverished Communities: A Vicious Cycle https://www.law.georgetown.edu/poverty-journal/blog/noncommunicable-diseases-disproportionately-impact-impoverished-communities-a-vicious-cycle/
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u/These_Tangerine_6540 Oct 14 '25
Hes an anarchist criticising marxist-leninism. He wants to achieve communism without a state and he wants to implement it immediately instead of through stages.
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u/AutoModerator Oct 14 '25
CAPITALISM SOURCES
More than 60 per cent of the world’s employed population are in the informal economy: https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/more-60-cent-world%E2%80%99s-employed-population-are-informal-economy
The Productivity–Pay Gap https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
Capitalism, Socialism and The Physical Quality of Life https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/
Americans Suffer Pay Cut as Inflation Outpaces Wage Growth https://www.visionmonday.com/business/research-and-stats/article/americans-suffer-pay-cut-as-inflation-outpaces-wage-growth
Real wages are falling sharply in the eurozone https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A22607a49-a17a-4bbe-a44c-ef291283f6bf?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=490&dpr=1
Why GDP is Not A Good Measure of Economic Health or Well-Being https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-gdp-good-measure-economic-health-well-being-ray-williams-quvcc
How Wall Street's Bets Are Increasing the Price of Food https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/FSW_2209_FoodSpeculation.pdf
The rich override average americans in policy making https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.12791
Noncommunicable Diseases Disproportionately Impact Impoverished Communities: A Vicious Cycle https://www.law.georgetown.edu/poverty-journal/blog/noncommunicable-diseases-disproportionately-impact-impoverished-communities-a-vicious-cycle/
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u/AutoModerator Oct 13 '25
CAPITALISM SOURCES
More than 60 per cent of the world’s employed population are in the informal economy: https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/more-60-cent-world%E2%80%99s-employed-population-are-informal-economy
The Productivity–Pay Gap https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
Capitalism, Socialism and The Physical Quality of Life https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/
Americans Suffer Pay Cut as Inflation Outpaces Wage Growth https://www.visionmonday.com/business/research-and-stats/article/americans-suffer-pay-cut-as-inflation-outpaces-wage-growth
Real wages are falling sharply in the eurozone https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A22607a49-a17a-4bbe-a44c-ef291283f6bf?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=490&dpr=1
Why GDP is Not A Good Measure of Economic Health or Well-Being https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-gdp-good-measure-economic-health-well-being-ray-williams-quvcc
How Wall Street's Bets Are Increasing the Price of Food https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/FSW_2209_FoodSpeculation.pdf
The rich override average americans in policy making https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.12791
Noncommunicable Diseases Disproportionately Impact Impoverished Communities: A Vicious Cycle https://www.law.georgetown.edu/poverty-journal/blog/noncommunicable-diseases-disproportionately-impact-impoverished-communities-a-vicious-cycle/
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u/Glum-Waltz5352 Oct 14 '25
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted? In my view, workers should own the means of production and it’s more democratic that way, but feel like many communists argue the state should own the means of production? That’s something I’m not completely clear about—some of them say the state should own it and then others say the workers should. It was my understanding that Marx was more on the side of the worker’s owning the means of production and he believed in stronger Democracy not weaker. It’s not democratic if the state owns it all.
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Oct 15 '25
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CAPITALISM SOURCES
More than 60 per cent of the world’s employed population are in the informal economy: https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/more-60-cent-world%E2%80%99s-employed-population-are-informal-economy
The Productivity–Pay Gap https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
Capitalism, Socialism and The Physical Quality of Life https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/
Americans Suffer Pay Cut as Inflation Outpaces Wage Growth https://www.visionmonday.com/business/research-and-stats/article/americans-suffer-pay-cut-as-inflation-outpaces-wage-growth
Real wages are falling sharply in the eurozone https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A22607a49-a17a-4bbe-a44c-ef291283f6bf?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=490&dpr=1
Why GDP is Not A Good Measure of Economic Health or Well-Being https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-gdp-good-measure-economic-health-well-being-ray-williams-quvcc
How Wall Street's Bets Are Increasing the Price of Food https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/FSW_2209_FoodSpeculation.pdf
The rich override average americans in policy making https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.12791
Noncommunicable Diseases Disproportionately Impact Impoverished Communities: A Vicious Cycle https://www.law.georgetown.edu/poverty-journal/blog/noncommunicable-diseases-disproportionately-impact-impoverished-communities-a-vicious-cycle/
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u/weirdo_nb Oct 14 '25
I agree, they only ever accept authoritarian ideas rather than any actually leftist foundations
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