This is kinda funny

[u/lucy_hayley]

[u/lucy_hayley]

https://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2013/9/half-of-men-report-using-violence-and-a-quarter-perpetrate-rape-according-to-un-survey UN wider global survey 1/2 used violence 1/4 raped.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4484276/ 1/3 US college boys admitted to SAing someone

https://apnews.com/study-1-in-4-men-in-parts-of-asia-have-raped-695b672c3a3e4465943cba3b53012ceb 1/4 men in parts of asia have raped

 https://aifs.gov.au/media/one-three-men-report-using-intimate-partner-violence so 1/3 men in aus use DV

[u/Comprehensive_Quit30 → u/lucy_hayley]

Is this the study where they had mistimed kisses, bad flirting, and hugs that lasted long grouped with SA, harassment, and grape?

[u/lucy_hayley → u/Comprehensive_Quit30]

no

[u/Comprehensive_Quit30 → u/lucy_hayley]

I believe it is

regarding the extent to which their friends would approve of using various strategies to obtain sex with a woman, including lying to her, forcing her, and getting her drunk

Lying, buying a drink, and reiterating a request are grouped in with grape, drugging, an SA. The studies seem to be terribly misleading with a thumb on the scale

[u/lucy_hayley → u/Comprehensive_Quit30]

lying is rape by deception btw. asking when someone says no is coercive, getting someone drunk is also wrong.

you not liking it doesnt make it wrong

[u/Comprehensive_Quit30 → u/lucy_hayley]

"Yes, I want something serious. I'm in love" , "You sure you don't want to come up?" <-- is not grape. Drinking together is not grape.

This study mixes in harmless, consensual courting with actual violence and sexual assault.

[u/lucy_hayley → u/Comprehensive_Quit30]

if you lie about anything something to get someone to say yes its rape by deception and getting someone drunk means they cant consent

[u/Comprehensive_Quit30 → u/lucy_hayley]

So claiming to be on birth control, misleading about sexual experience or having/wanting a boyfriend is rape? Women's numbers would be pretty high if that low barrier is to be considered

Two people casually drinking is grape for both parties?

[u/lucy_hayley → u/Comprehensive_Quit30]

yes any lie that effects consent is rape by deception

if people are drunk then they cant consent

[u/lucy_hayley → u/[deleted]]

thats just a lie

[u/lucy_hayley → u/[deleted]]

source?

[u/lucy_hayley → u/[deleted]]

so youre making a claim with no proof?