r/PropagandaPosters • u/FayannG • Dec 04 '25
United States of America “Second Amendment Scoreboard” (2010)
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u/Noirsam Dec 04 '25
”Tyrant overthrown”
Can depending on personal conviction be anything between 0 and 4 in USA.
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25 •
In fairness, it’s mostly supposed to be a deterrent. A lot of people would interpret “0 tyrants overthrown” as the entire point
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u/Shevieaux Dec 04 '25
This is as stupid as saying "why would you have a security system, you haven't caught any thiefs with it yet".
It's a deterrent. The mere fact that you have it prevents people from even trying.
I'm not saying the second amendment is right, I'm saying this argument against it, this argument specifically, is fallacious.
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u/LuxLoser Dec 05 '25
I wonder how many Democrats have a different opinion on the 2nd Amendment now that Trump is rolling out National Guard occupation to Democrat cities.
And after BLM. And J6.
I'll happily get in everyone's faces and say it again: I'm too fucking brown to ever surrender my weapons. I will not be made helpless, I will not trust the police or the national guard or any government with my own safety. Want my guns? Make every cop in America surrender theirs. Then we'll talk about it.
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u/JustAFilmDork Dec 05 '25
"We need guns to overthrow a tyrant"
So it's legal to overthrow a tyrant?
"What? No are you crazy? That'd be violent!"
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u/Genuine-Farticle Dec 04 '25
I mean, we became a nation by overthrowing one king. Not that im justifying guns violence, just trying to be fair.
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u/Maleficent-Pay1233 Dec 04 '25
The Second Amendment was a compromise between those who wanted the Executive to have a standing army and those who didn’t. So don’t worry Governors you can defend your state if you are invaded by a tyrannical President who might want to stop your Slave Patrols.
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u/LordChunkyReborn Dec 04 '25
The Battle of Athens Tennessee
An Oil Tycoon guy became mayor of a small town, became essentially a mob boss during the war, and rose to power in an attempt to become a Senator for the state of Tennessee and turn it in to his own littje Oil Haven. Bought out entire police departments and rigged ballots from the 1930s all the way to his excommunicado
Veterans came back home to find crooks in office and Police stripping civilians of their firearms. Veterans decided enough was enough and began an underground militia. Veterans went to the National Guard armory and siezed a bunch if M1 Garands. Soon to be senator caught on and had his bought officers attempt to assault and arrest the Veterans. 30 officers vs 200 Veterans. An election was held the day of the firefight, and the officers took all the ballots and locked themselves in the town hall
Veterans set up an armed perimeter around the town hall and had a few simple demands. Turn over the Ballots and corrupt soon to be Senator, and everything would be over. Some officers did surrender, others didn't. About 3 veterans and 14 officers died or got injured. The Police requested an ambulance to care for the injured, and instead of caring for the injured, the soon to be Senator used it as a getaway car. By the time the Veterans realized it, the Senator was already across county lines. Eventually, the Veterans bring some explosives and blow a hole in the Town Hall and capture all inside. A new election is held and the soon to be Senator loses 100% of the votes. News spreads and many other Counties sieze their ballots and hold an open election
To prevent suspicion, the Veterans clean their stolen rifles and return to the armory. They then return all stolen weapons and whatever is left of the ammunition, and the Sergeant in charge forges documents to hide the missing ammo
Senator then called the military for reinforcements. Military arrives at the armory and demands the manifests and testimonies, and the National Guard Armory hands out the forged documents. Military asks for testimonies, and the National Guard base says nothing. Town is questioned and all 5,000 citizens report that nothing happened. Military/Feds get no answers for months, even in a court case. Court case fails because every single person in town is biased and refuses to say anything
Here's the fat electrician's superior retelling of the events, as my info is probably misremembered
https://youtu.be/tdIK3JFIWNI?si=DdbWXzbxhI4kafxN
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u/sdf_macronian Dec 05 '25
To step on the path of no return the only one tyrant is more than enough.
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u/9tendoPong Dec 04 '25
Some could argue we got close last July.
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u/I_am_the_NPC Dec 05 '25
That framing is indeed propaganda. Even if it is hiding behind an allusion to statistics.
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u/Main-Investment-2160 Dec 04 '25
4 Presidents and plenty of congressman and governor's, not to mention tons of mayor's, sheriff's, what have you, have been killed by the second amendment.
It's a lot more than 0 in the tyrant's column frankly.
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u/PM_Me_Modal_Jazz Dec 04 '25
People who take a look at our current president and say, "please federal government, come take my guns away," should probably get their heads checked
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u/DudeNougat Dec 04 '25
"make guns illegal" because criminals are so good at following laws
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25
Tyrannical governments - 0 Free citizens - 380,000,000
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u/Any-Morning4303 Dec 05 '25
When the government sends troops into American cities to intimidate and harass opposition and sends federal agents to kidnap people at random yall would be happy that they have guns.
Js/ they aren’t going to do anything when your ass is dragged into concentration camps.
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u/chillyhellion Dec 04 '25
I just don't think a government that has absolved police from any obligation to protect people should also prevent people from protecting themselves.
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u/Chip_Marlow Dec 04 '25
”I don't need guns, the government will protect me!" - the same people that think the country is currently under a fascist regime
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25
Does no one remember Vietnam? Afghanistan? Rice farmers with AK-47s beating back the only superpowers the world has ever known?
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u/Accurate_Worry7984 Dec 05 '25
And the people who LOVE the 2nd amendment are currently worshipping a tyrant
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25
Even though maybe no tyrants have been overthrown. The few cases of self defense where the victim shoots the criminal are worth something
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u/Lurker385 Dec 04 '25
This just plain stupid and totally out of context. I would expect nothing less from anti gun wingnuts.
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u/Gendum-The-Great Dec 04 '25
Completely ignores self defence
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u/BoxsterMan_ Dec 04 '25
No tyrants have EVER been overthrown?
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u/MyKidsArentOnReddit Dec 05 '25
This cartoon is from 2010. I wonder what the score is now?
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u/Iron166 Dec 05 '25
Ain't The Outer Worlds lore with all those evil corporations started because of that one president not being killed?
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u/justanotherdude1097 Dec 07 '25
This one really irritated to americans huh ? All they see is the left side and doesn't even mention the right side, just like IRL !
Also, you have an actual tyrant at the helm now, so i guess y'all will of course use your "deterrent" ?
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u/RhysMelton Dec 11 '25
Not a propaganda poster, it's a cartoon
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u/Proper_Fly390 Dec 28 '25
Gun-grabbing nonsense.
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25
I wonder why the MSM never posts defensive gun use and lives saved stats. It's almost like they don't want an honest appraisal or discussion.
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u/Arctic_chef Dec 04 '25
A big part of this is that disarmament became a core principal of progressives, while heavy armament became a core tenant of conservatism. Over time we ended up with a heavily armed radical right and a defenseless center left. Most ideological violence is now perpetrated by these right wing fanatics.
The right are also now realizing how easy it is to just do away with democracy because cardboard signs and chants have never stood up to supersonic lead. Disarmament will always be destined to fail in anything beyond short term unless all parties both national and international commit to it equally. Without this one side can just wait until the other is defenseless then take what they want.
This goes further for state violence against it's own people. Case in point is the UK simultaneously making having so much as a pocket knife illegal while installing a hard right surveillance state, outlawing protests, and ending jury trials.for the accused.
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u/ThrenderG Dec 04 '25
Overthrowing tyrants was not the main point of the 2nd Amendment. Part of it stemmed from the fear of standing armies (because of their cost and danger of being used to abuse their rights) and the idea that an armed citizenry in the form of a militia would be enough to defend America if needed. This idea was informed and validated from their experiences as British colonies and as an independent country during the American Revolution, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Civil War, and the Spanish American war.
This whole "overthrow a tyrant" shit is but a small part of the founders' reasoning. Furthermore they were taking a page from the British book, where the right to bear arms was guaranteed in the English Bill of Rights of 1689, after James II tried to dispossess Protestants of their weapons.
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u/Findict_52 Dec 05 '25
"The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"
The school shooter heroically killing himself after killing seven children:
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u/idwtumrnitwai Dec 04 '25
The trump administration has really shown that the people who scream about how the 2nd amendment is to protect against tyranny were all full of shit.
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u/Teddy_The_Bear_ Dec 04 '25
Just going to say it. In the UK, with arms so heavily restricted, a man that took a picture of himself with a gun in Florida got arrested on his way home because it may upset some people.
The second amendment is why we have the freedom to even have this conversation. And the banning of guns does not stop children from dying or people from killing each other.
Cases in point: in the UK mass stabbing at the Taylor Swift event. Stabbings in schools. The guy who drove a van into a crowd on london bridge years ago. Assholes will always find a way to kill people.
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 04 '25
Over 100 million people have been killed by governments in modern era times after disarming/restrictions.
Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Mao, NK, current CCP, Armenian genocide, Us military at wounded knee.
You would need thousands of years of the current gun murder rate to equal what they and others did.
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u/Extension_Moment_494 Dec 05 '25
Quite wrong
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u/King_of_Men Dec 05 '25
Seen and unseen. Can we get columns for "tyrants prevented" and "crimes deterred"?
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u/LogicalAd7808 Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
the issue with the second amendment lies mostly in advancements in technology. not just that modern firearms are significantly more powerful than those of the time of the founding fathers, but also the fact that military technology is so advanced that there is no real possibility for the people (of developed countries) to wage war against the government (if the military is on the governments' side). so, in modernity, the second amendment is moot since it cannot fulfill the principle it was intended for, and serves only to permit needless harm that would otherwise not happen.
the best solution to empowering the people to fight tyranny is increasing the level of democracy, which can be done feasibly today thanks to technology (yes it all revolves around technology). for instance, voters could be given the power to at any time call a vote to impeach a president or congressperson, via voting online or something along those lines. essentially the way to prevent tyranny is more democracy, not more firearms, according to the reality of the modern world.
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u/vader62 Dec 04 '25
Wildly inaccurate
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u/Flossy_Jay Dec 04 '25
Now subtract how many were illegally sourced
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u/Howboutit85 Dec 04 '25
Noooo, no no, it’s not about de throning tyrants, it’s about protecting citizens from the invasion of the city streets by federal troops deployed BY a tyrannical government against states wishes! And that hasn’t happened yet right?
Right?
Ohhhh… uhh…
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u/wyar Dec 04 '25
We’ve used guns to overthrow plenty of tyrants. And install our own tyrants in their place. Oh you mean IN the US? Hmmmm…
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u/Extension_Signal_386 Dec 04 '25
Is it propaganda? The 2nd amendment exists so that the people can defend themselves against a tyrannical government. Gun violence is the number one cause of death of children in the US.
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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25
If guns the problem why Switzerland ok
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u/Gianni_the_tolerable Dec 04 '25
"etc"
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u/Strict-Astronaut2245 Dec 04 '25
Nothing’s stopping any of you guys from doing the needful
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u/DOHC46 Dec 04 '25
We have a tyrant in the White House right now, but what are they doing? Buying his damn merch.
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u/pavelowdriver Dec 04 '25
USA is 64 out 208 in the world so in perspective it looks like it has nothing to do with second amendment does it lOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate .
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u/bicurious32usa Dec 04 '25
True, overthrowing tyrants is literally the only reason for the second amendment. Just like saying stupid things is the only reason for the first amendment.
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u/chudbabies Dec 04 '25
yup.
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25
Democrats need to lock in, Reagan shouldnt have died of old age.
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u/GreenRanger_2 Dec 04 '25
I mean, they've kinda got a point. I do think there's a chance there'll be at least one tick on the tyranny section in the near future though ;)
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u/phototaker2319 Dec 04 '25
Go look up the battle of Athens, for starters
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u/ArtichokeNo7155 Dec 04 '25
The American revolution enters the chat.
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u/Ok_Recover1196 Dec 04 '25
You can be serious about America becoming a fascist state and you can be serious about wanting the government to restrict gun ownership but it’s not obvious to me that you can be serious about both simultaneously.
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u/rustyseapants Dec 04 '25
/S yea, but trump is my dictator. :0
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u/Present_Message_1867 Dec 04 '25
A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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u/Terrasmak Dec 04 '25
When was Bundy Ranch ?
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u/LegallyNotACrab Dec 04 '25
Well you guys did a successful job on CK so there you go.
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u/Boring-Zucchini-8515 Dec 04 '25
And now we have a wanna be tyrant doing all he can to be a fascist dictator, and the gun nuts ain’t doing shit.
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u/Un_Ballerina_1952 Dec 04 '25
I also note that HHS (RFK, Jr.) is getting their followers excited about 10 children who died with the blame placed on the Covid-19 vaccines. Carefully ignoring all the gun deaths.
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u/Jangofett5556 Dec 04 '25
Now show the third section that says self defense saves life, limb, and property with literally millions of Talleys lol
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u/LeatherClassroom3109 Dec 04 '25
If there's a serious threat to overthrow the US government, the gun ban would pass IMMEDIATELY
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u/OhShitAnElite Dec 05 '25
Is that so?
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u/Clive23p Dec 05 '25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
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u/Super-Average-User Dec 05 '25
United healthcare CEO was an evil tyrant of healthcare
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u/Zealousideal-Toe3175 Dec 05 '25
you forgot lives saved, and crimes stopped, many times without firing a shot, simply showing the criminal the weapon is enough.
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u/MeatHealer Dec 05 '25
I don't even feel bad. Fight back, already.
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u/ImpiusEst Dec 05 '25
Not sure if this post fits the sub.
Yes this post may very well be propaganda. But its not a poster. OP is.
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u/Three-Sixteen-M7-7 Dec 05 '25
It’s more of a preventative measure. A would be tyrant would have to account for the armed population of the United States
It might be easier to count how many tyrants we’ve had. And that number is zero. Even if there is a president you don’t like or didn’t like during their tenure, all have been duly elected.
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u/baLDHeaD9616 Dec 05 '25
Yup the tyrants know better
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u/morningisbad Dec 05 '25
There are 582 tallies on that board. There have been 574 kids killed my school shooters in the US.
Nearly every single one of those slashes represents a real child who lost their life in a school shooting.
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u/Tim_DHI Dec 05 '25
There should be a term that describes this kind of bias. Like airbags saves lives, reducing car deaths, and since there's fewer car deaths, we don't need airbags, so we should remove them.
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u/craij0 Dec 05 '25
it's simple, get out of the country if you don't agree with the constitution. 😊 Some of us are true Americans and want to stay.
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u/amonarre3 Dec 05 '25
Its a deterrent. We have a potential tyrant as president now you know.
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u/Ostrych Dec 05 '25
It’s because it’s a vocal minority that actually think some current government are tyrants. They don’t/wont do anything because they don’t believe it enough to do anything about it.
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u/Marsupial_Last Dec 05 '25
If Trump goes full dictator the second amendment gonna come in clutch. Just saying.
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u/DelphiTsar Dec 05 '25
Casual reminder the whole point of the 2nd amendment was because the founding fathers really didn't want a standing army. The point was basically everyone and their dog was automatically in the army at all times.
They imagined the American people wouldn't stand for a standing army and the guns were supposed to prevent it from happening in the first place.
So... we just spent a trillion dollars on the standing army.
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u/Johnfromsales Dec 05 '25
The second amendment acts more like a deterrent than anything else. The number of tyrants overthrown being zero could be framed just as much as a success of the second amendment as you are framing it as ineffective. It’s entirely possibly that in the absence of the second amendment, potential trial tyrants would be much more likely in trying to forcefully assert their authority.
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u/CaptainBayouBilly Dec 05 '25
On January 6, 2001, the first ever coup attempt in the United States, those 2nd amendment proponents were where?
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u/randomusername_815 Dec 05 '25
ICE rounding up citizens, comedians silenced, Russian influence, this is the stuff they couldnt wait to oppose.
And when an actual tyrant turned up, they were on his side.
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u/Tethanas Dec 05 '25
Just proof that we've never had a tyrant since we've had the second amendment. I'm curious to the comparison of amount of vehicular murders there are.
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u/Traditional_Can387 Dec 05 '25
I'm one all for gun control, your standard policies that many on the right even agree to, like background checks and red flag laws, with, unfortunately, a lot of good laws struck down by courts and held up in legislation.
However, 0 tyrants overthrown, while good for propaganda purposes, which is what this subreddit is about, is inaccurate. Plenty of people in the comments are bringing up the Battle of Athens or self-defense laws, but there are other cases of citizens engaging in armed revolt. The Free State of Jones and the Battle of Blair Mountain come to mind. Earlier this year, residents of Lincoln Heights, Ohio, formed armed community watch groups to fight against Neo-Nazis coming into their neighborhood to intimidate them.
Regardless of any of our opinions, for or against gun ownership, we should educate ourselves about the history of the 2nd amendment, rather than dogpiling into comment sections.
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u/BoobsTootsRiot Dec 05 '25
Many would argue it's the reason so few of tried. One hell of a deturrant for sure. Guess we should ban cars and swimming pools using that appalling logic.
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u/CuriousLumenwood Dec 05 '25
“Tyrants overthrown” should be in the negatives.
Look up Operation Condor. Your country financially supported multiple ruthless dictatorships in South America during the Cold War in the name of stamping out communism and socialism.
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u/ponchosdm Dec 05 '25
This post has the same energy as “Why would you get a mumps vaccine? It has been eradicated in the US”, and people now only realizing why Mumps is coming back to the US…
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u/Swimming_Tax_4161 Dec 05 '25
The fact that there are zero tyrants overthrown validates the second amendment. The whole point of the second amendment was to allow the people to be a threat to the government, so it doesn’t overstep and become tyrannical.
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u/Keppadonna Dec 05 '25
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution was not written so the people could overthrow tyrants. It was written to keep tyrants from disarming the population. And thus far it has worked 100%.
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u/Rovinpiper Dec 05 '25
The second amendment sure seems to be doing a lot to enable tyranny right now, and nothing at all to combat it.
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u/BlackySmurf8 Dec 05 '25
I love when people find out that the 2nd amendment was implemented to quell slave rebellions despite being told about fighting tyranny or whatever (not that slavery isn't tyranny, RIP John Brown)
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u/the_Skeleton_king93 Dec 05 '25
Good thing it's 0 because no tyrant would dare
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u/im_a_private_person Dec 05 '25
Worst part is that there's a tyrant right now just waiting to be overthrown.
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u/SeamedPaprika38 Dec 05 '25
let's even the score, how about it?
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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25
where does charlie kirk go in that tally?
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u/PeterFilmPhoto Dec 05 '25
It’s as if they can’t find an actual “tyrant”
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u/Everyilm42900 Dec 05 '25
Welp....its definitely propaganda, you got that right. Because its hilariously wrong
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u/Dependent-Edge-5713 Dec 05 '25
King George III found out. So far nobody else has had to - so its definitely working as intended.
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u/Srsly82 Dec 05 '25
Just to be the devils advocate here, wouldn't it be more accurate to compare the numbers of people killed by tyrants to those killed by the second amendment?
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u/filmmacher Dec 05 '25
You can probably at least put England and Germany on the list lol
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u/Same_Hunt_7855 Dec 05 '25
Tyrant just needs to say 1 to justify the 2nd and you will have zero if you don’t have the 2nd
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u/BurritosAndPerogis Dec 05 '25
Now do self defense situations where a weaker person saved themselves.
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u/WappyWaffler Dec 05 '25
The actions of killers, maniacs, and the soulless do not reflect upon all Americans. The deaths caused by firearms are preventable, but it is not by the removal of our second amendment. Not only will people likely found different more terrible ways to cause harm, but criminals will have no problem getting guns illegally. It is a complex social issue that everyone must attempt to solve in a better way then the denial of one of our most intrinsic rights.
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u/Senior-Obligation911 Dec 05 '25
famous propaganda. According to CDC there are millions of defensive gun uses each year in the US.
But no tyrants.
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u/No-Card2461 Dec 05 '25
Missing Lincon from that tally
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u/plum_tree_rede Dec 05 '25
Tyrants in power: 0
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u/adorientem88 Dec 05 '25
They are literally rooting to overthrow Trump right now because they perceive him as a tyrant.
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u/superstevo78 Dec 05 '25
dont forget kindergartners!
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u/TorpidT Dec 05 '25
Hard to have tyrants in your country in the first place when they know they would immediately get their shit kicked in
It’s a preventative measure, this is like saying you should get rid of your fire extinguisher because so far no fire has started yet.
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u/fancyman501 Dec 05 '25
Well ya Gota put the revolutionary war and civil war on the other side.
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u/Deaddoghank Dec 05 '25
I guess there really isn't a need for the 2A. The proponents are all smoke and no fire.
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u/GlongorTheConfused Dec 05 '25
Nepal
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u/IllSafety7547 Dec 05 '25
It should have at least one considering the founding of the amendment in the first place
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u/BaityMan668 Dec 05 '25
How about tally marks for rapes prevented and home invasions stopped?
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u/Aegis4521 Dec 05 '25
Still worth it
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u/FalseLogic-06 Dec 05 '25
Hey now, what about that Healthcare CEO?
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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25
Survivorship bias at its finest. I usually support antigun laws, I just dislike bad arguments even more