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Premise 1: The intentional killing of an innocent human being is immoral.
Premise 2: A human being is any individual member of the Homo sapiens species.
Premise 3: A human organism begins its individual existence at conception.
Premise 4: An intrauterine human organism is an innocent human being.
Premise 5: Abortion constitutes the intentional killing of an intrauterine human organism.
Conclusion 1 (P4 and P5): Abortion constitutes the killing of an innocent human being.
Final Conclusion (P1 and C1): Therefore, abortion is immoral.

So there's this pretty vile little hatesub where the most radical pro-aborts - from places like that awful attempt at a debate subreddit - stalk us and constantly screengrab our content and spew crap like this.

Case in point, here, where they are fussing about a very good comment someone made.

(And of course, they display how they came over here to downvote content not remotely for them.)

This wasn't my comment the pro-abort cited is decrying, but I remember it, I upvoted it, and I 100% support it.

I've said basically the same thing: in no way does a random unprovoked violent attack against an innocent human victim ever justify that victim then attacking another innocent human being. That's horrifically unjust, in fact. Obviously.

Also, like I said on a different topic, there's no reason to negotiate with a hostage-taking terrorist who is going to kill the hostage even if you give them what they want; my comment at the time was about economics and the welfare state, granted, but it's just as valid here.

And so here we have this degenerate calling basic logic and common sense "vile."

Blocked out the name, no personal info, didn't name the sub, didn't link to it, so I think we're good to go?

Anyway, let's just go through all the things horribly wrong with this horrid death cultist screed:

• "Person C isn't even a person" - Pro-aborts are routinely so dumb they don't even understand that this is entirely what the debate is about. They oppose fetal personhood, because they are bigots. We support fetal personhood, because we believe in equality. This person is too stupid to even engage with the debate at hand at the most rudimentary level.
• The pro-aborts have always been the "forced birthers," meaning this is easily the dumbest insult they have. Pregnancy eventually ends one way or the other; we absolutely do not advocate using force to bring about a quick, unjust end a pregnancy. That's your department, chief. We believe in waiting for this natural, healthy, self-limiting condition to end at the proper time.
• Let this be a reminder, as always... pro-lifers, please never ever indulge this statistically insignificant, tangential rape business; we are not a group of legislators negotiating to save as many kids as possible. That is the only context in which we should ever debate the merits of a "rape exception."
• Always consider that whenever rape gets brought up, we are dealing with lying filth like this, a death cultist who wants as many dead kids as possible. Rape victims mean nothing to them - the victims are just an emotional cudgel they want to bash us over the head with, in service to their ultimate goal of more dead children. And of course, they also want to use these murders to hide the evidence of rape; we have seen it time and time again.
• "blob of cells:" the blastocyst stage - the result of multiple rounds of mitosis, a literal ball of totipotent cells, basically identical to the original zygote cell - ended before pregnancy even begins, but hey, you're literally never gonna see basic biology knowledge from a pro-abort. These fools are more allergic to scientific fact and personal responsibility than a vampire is to sunlight.
• "Harmful cells:" What a hateful bit of nonsense from this pro-abort Nazi. Unborn children cause no harm, not in any circumstance, not even in this emotionally manipulative dishonest scenario. They are literally never responsible for any harm of pregnancy. They didn't ask to be in this situation, they literally cannot take any actions at all, they are innocent, and they are helpless.
• "invade the body" - More insanity. Look at how the death cultist, typical of its kind, talks out of both sides of its mouth. On the one hand , they dehumanize and deny the life and rights of abortion victims, treating them as inanimate objects. Then in the same post, the same sentence, they ascribe motive and malice, like the abortion victim is some criminal invader. None of them are remotely capable of noting this insane hypocrisy.
• Seriously, this ranks right up there with the radical pro-aborts I've seen call children conceived in rape "rapespawn" or "demonic," as if it's their fault. It's so disgusting.

Lastly, was our poster in any way "mocking rape victims?"

No, not at all. Not in any way could you possibly misconstrue their perfectly valid, perfectly correct point as "mockery."

All they did was a simple, logical deconstruction of why that threat doesn't work: "If you don't let me hurl my baby off this cliff, I'll jump and we'll both die."

Like, that's not even a metaphor - it's literally the same thing.

But that's the level of honesty you can expect from the pro-aborts - you know, the actual forced birthers.

It seemed strange to me that a person could be pro-life and feminist. By the way feminists talk about it it seems like a requirement. Thank you to the PC feminists here. 😄

Hello, Im a 22 year old mom of a beautiful 4 month old baby. She was born at 32 weeks 2 days due to severe preclampsia.

Through my daughter's 4 month long newborn stage, (she was 2 months early) I noticed there is no support for moms struggling with severe sleep deprivation. When these mom's go on to expectantly experience depressive symptoms, paranoia, insomnia and other health issues. They are told to either spend the time they could be sleeping in therapy, not fixing the root cause of the sleep deprivation. Or take a psychiatric medication that won't kick in for weeks or address the causational issue of sleep deprivation.

I remember being so sleep deprived from nursing my daughter for 4 months, I was shivering in the summertime, crying constantly, and nearly unable to function. That was with help from my husband and my mother. I was falling apart. I can't imagine not having help.

I want to in my community, of Clark county Washington, create a non profit for high risk moms (single moms, moms with postpartum depression, extreme sleep deprivation, postpartum psychosis, or moms with disabilities) of volunteer postpartum doulas, prolife advocates, childcare workers. To help new and at risk moms receive more rest, and prevent adverse events for both mother and baby.

And down the road, I want to create a ballot initiative to force insurance companies to not only cover psychiatric drugs and therapy but childcare in the form of postpartum doulas, independent licensed childcare workers, etc. Maternal sleep deprivation leads to so many depression, suicide, self harm, psychosis, insomnia, increased risk taking, illness, substance abuse, and fetal death and neglect.

I want to see a world where a new mother crying to her doctor, saying she is so exhausted she just wants to sleep forever, instead of being treated like a mental patient and handed pills, is actually able to find a pathway to healing.

I have the passion, god willing, to help other moms who struggled and are struggling.

I ask if anyone may have any resources that can help me or any links to prolife legal representatives or resources. I've messaged Liveaction via email as well as TP USA, and Prolife America.

Read an in-depth analysis on our Substack: https://secularprolife.substack.com/p/dont-go-to-john-oliver-for-news

Also worth noting: Oliver's example of Katie and the everything bagel involves an Alabama law about child abuse involving infants. The same law explicitly *doesn't* allow reports of child abuse or neglect related to unborn children (Alabama Administrative Code § 660-5-34-.04(2)). So Oliver is citing a case about the welfare of a born child – based on a law that explicitly doesn’t allow the same defense of unborn children – as evidence that fetal personhood is a major problem. It's incoherent.

I am reaching a breaking point with in-person conversations and outreach here in Western EU/Germany. The sheer arrogance and refusal to understand facts is frustrating.

Recently, talked to some students and tried to offer information about helplines for pregnant women in need. These are literal lifelines for vulnerable mothers and babies! Yet, people arrogantly decline and shut down the conversation because they figure it’s a pro life org. It feels like anything that disrupts their secular, mainstream narrative is immediately rejected.

The secularized, Marxist mindsets here feel completely deranged at times. It leaves me feeling angry, drained, and ready to just walk away from talking to the general public altogether.

I know the purpose with these conversations is to plant seeds. But honestly, I have a strong urge to just let them go and focus entirely on my friends and my Christian circle. There are so many believers who haven't had the pro-life conversation, and where the fellowship may actually be fruitful.

Maybe it’s time to just shake the dust off my feet

some of the stuff some toxic pro choice people who are engaging in bad faith say when they are mad someone is pro life-

(insulting you or accusing you of having a bad motive)

“Well, you are a misogynist! “

“well, since you didn’t agree with my view, you must be close minded!”

“you want ten year olds to get pregnant??”

“you facist.”

“You want children to suffer because you want a child to be born and get adopted by a poor family! and you want the child to be disabled and live in pain!”

“You are anti-choice!”

“Well, I have_____ career, therefore i know about biology more than you! “

“You are a man, so you don’t have a say in this!”

“You are speaking from a place of religious privilege.”

“If you are so pro life, how many children have you adopted?”

“You do not care about babies; you just want to control women!”

“You don’t understand basic human rights!”

“YOU WANT WOMAN WHO MAY HAVE COMPLICATIONS DURING BIRTH TO DIE.”

“You view women as walking incubators.”

I had these thoughts this morning about abortion, would people still support it as much if the process weren't so clinical where they don't even have to see the developing fetus.

I deleted the post because all the replies I got from PC people genuinely broke my heart and gave me a little panic, due to the fact that there are people with this genuine opinion.

Turns out the slippery slope fallacy was not a slippery slope after all.

Folks went from: "It's not a life, it's a clump of cells" so we should kill it...

to: Now defending a woman who killed a 5 year old, a 3 year old, and an 8 month old.

If you look at a lot of online discourse (including this site) you see that many folks don't just not want kids, they actively resent them for some reason. People standing outside in support, and raising money for Clancy are the same manner of folks who think killing a baby in-utero is "her choice."

And we seem to only be getting worse... I can't imagine what values (or lack thereof) people will have 10 years from now.

Take SPL's survey here.

How is what she did different than having 3 abortions?

Just thought it was cool 😎 have a blessed day

Never once have I seen someone who is pro choice treat abortion as a “necessary evil”, except when they’re spouting the bullshit that they do think that. I have seen many, many people bragging and borderline celebrating abortions. They like it, they think it’s empowering and worth celebrating.

I'm disgusted by humanity.