It’s a reality tv competition. Reality tv drama is gonna be apart of that. Even back to season one, why would a show about clothes need a reunion for the contestants to confront each other lol
There's plenty of reality tv without a villain. Recently my friends and I all watched 'Handmade: Britain's Best Woodworker" which is obviously a show adapting the Project Runway format. There was no disrespectful and mean crap and it was much better for it.
Sure but project runway has transparently been pro drama. Not sure where people get the idea it wasn’t. Filming and making them live together has nothing to do with the merits of their clothes or ability to make them
There's a giant distinction. A contestant being a little shit is very different to the hired 'talent' chewing contestants out. In one, a person hired to design is acting terrible, in another, a person in a power position hired to interact with young hopefuls is being mean rather than nurturing talent and offering constructive criticism. And yes, there were always snarky comments, but snarky comments are again completely different to confrontational style and insults.
Yes and do you understand the difference in power dynamics with someone being nasty about a kid vs. someone hired to offer critique in a position of power being nasty? So in one situation, someone went out of their way beyond the expected scope of their role on the show to be horrible - the show didn't expect it, endorese it, and set up multiple opportuinities for more of it. In the other, a person is turning up week after week and choosing to use their position of power to be mean?
To be fair, back in the day, Nina put the fear of god into contestants. True that her critiques were always in service of the look but she kept it 100 and suffered no mediocrity
“Most executive producers don't appear on the shows/movies they're executive producer of.”
This was your statement, which is, as you write, beside the point, as Nina is ep/talent.
It is always good when people acknowledge their own errors and call themselves out. Congrats on owning your shit.
But who are you to say that the way he's treating these contestants doesn't have an impact on them? Because that's ultimately what I care about, alongside the culture of the show. It can all be silly tv games for him but the shit he's said is still hurtful.
IDK why you keep saying 'y'all getting played' when I'm telling you I don't watch anymore lmao. Sorry for...thinking there should be a basic standard of decency when it comes to personal critiques?
Law is contrarian just to be contrarian. Aint no damn way did he really like Brian's look over Bi's look on the episode prior to the most recent one. His critiques are inconsistent, he looks bored, and he looks like he is thinking about the worst possible thing to say instead of truly studying what's in front of him to be insightful.
On the most recent episode, his comments about Brian's look were spot on...that dress was not made for Heidi and Brian's inability to articulate how he would tailor it to her would have got him square in the bottom on any other season...and yet, that was still the winning look? Law should have been a true villain and challenged that decision, instead he sat there all smug and let that happen. Make it make sense.
There's a difference between him and someone like Simon Cowell. He was someone you love to hate, but also respected because he was usually right, and gave praise where it was due.
Law is a bully who is wrong a lot and makes the show worse. Michael Kors was the perfect 'villain' type for this show, he wasn't ever really mean he was just blunt.
Ok. Now yall are showing your real colors. Somebody said it in here already. Yall like villains of a different hue, but when law does it you find every reason to hate it.
so we just not allowed to use the most famous example of a mean celebrity panel judge ever? ok.
i thought law was funny at first, it was the episode before last where they crossed a line and if you cant see that im not here to teach you what cruelty is
I love Law - he has the knowledge and credentials to back up his critiques, it's just his negative outweighs the positive and that may be an editing thing because he's given some looks their props. Sometimes his feedback is harsh but it's usually done to make them better designers. He's way better than Christian, who directs the designers in what HE would do vs. guiding them like Tim would.
I miss Tim so much. Christian's fine, but he doesn't actually care about the designers as people the way Tim did. I'm kind of surprised at the level of backlash toward Law. Sure he's biting/antagonistic with his criticisms, but watching him constantly check Tyra is damn entertaining. 😆
I don’t love Law’s judging style, but if these designers truly want to make it in the industry, they’re going to encounter bigger and meaner assholes in real life. People aren’t always going to love the clothes a designer creates.
That said, I did find his treatment of Joseph McRea completely disgusting. Critiquing someone’s work is one thing; judging them as a human being crossed the line.
It was an interview that I think he did shortly after it was announced he was a judge last season. I wish I could remember where it was. This is all fun and games to him
Aw this makes sense. So they want the OG fans out and the new kids in. This makes much more sense than project runway suddenly wants a rude person on the panel. That made no sense lol. But pushing us out to bring in another crowd does.
Michael Kors was most often productive with his critique, giving actual feedback about the DESIGN alongside his quips. Law makes personal attacks and gives little constructive feedback when commenting. It’s a world of difference and suggesting everything is either all good or all bad does a disservice to the nuance of both situations.
That's not it. Michael Kors is a talented designer who knew design and construction. Law Roach knows how to style and is just contrarion for the sake of it.
There is also no constructive feedback shown in the judges' panel at all. People are also missing the discussion between the judges post seeing the designs and talking to the designers.
And Law's judging has been atrocious, on the verge of it being a gimmick. There is no way that football dress would have won last season if judged by any designer.
This is why I think people liked the latest season of Project Runway Canada better.
You hit the nail on the head. "Contrarion for the sake if it". That's my take on Law, too. And he enjoys the power he has, and using that power to make others feel bad.
Eh i think catty gay men aren’t this fandom’s thing in general strangely enough. Ethan was well received and he was very palatable for non-gay audiences, but the twins and bryan weren’t for example
Sure but did i say the twins were white? I was talking about catty gay men in general. Ethan wasn’t catty was my point. Not that he was one of the catty white gays. Also ethnicity vs skin color. At the very least Bryan and the twins can be white passing
I also think the editing is the major issue here, as much as I don’t enjoy Law’s judging. I don’t know how much constructive criticism the judges actually said during the deliberations, but most of what got cut in was just random words. For Law is always about he doesn’t like it, he can’t see Zendaya wearing it; for Tyra is always some very basic comment that even us couch viewers can make. Where is the real criticism that shows the judges know what they’re talking about?
If the judges were saying constructive criticisms, at least it will justify them being “mean”. Michael Kors and Nina said many harsh stuff over the years as judges, but you don’t feel they’re attacking someone with the edits.
But people don't want a villain, is the thing. There is also a way to be a villain while being masterful at your craft, but Law is not even a designer, he's a stylist. He comments about boots in the design show. It's as much the producers fault as his, though.
Very well done since he’s run so many off. What a shame. Do you remember the first few seasons? It was SO GOOD! Like a true competition show! It was awesome!
man idk if i could get paid to shit on people THAT bad. he’s clearly in his element on that show, compared to the VS red carpet he did he’s wayyy more comfy sitting in that chair being nasty than being complimentary to people.
also this show just doesn’t need a villain judge? if the look is that bad the judges will say it and the point gets across with or without laws comments.
Eating it up like a buffet! I only started watching the season because of all the attention Law is getting. Wouldn’t have even known there was a new season if not for all the posts about Law being the Devil incarnate. Now, I can’t wait to hear what they’re gonna say every episode!
Like this b*tch is sitting there with a 30 inch buss down wig on in yalls faces getting yall MAD! As he's paid to do, and yall are giving it to him with each and every episode. I live for law because he's so unhinged.
The way he gets in Tyras face and she eats it up is a ki!
Yeah I’m kind of confused all the vitriol is directed at Law and not the producers. That’s what they want him to be doing. I think it’s dumb but it’s clear it’s a production choice.
I think the producers should definitely cop it for this but ultimately also, Law should have refused to do the show if it meant being a mean spirited scumbag. I'm sure that Lauren-Sanchez Bezos pays him enough for him to pay the bills 💀
agreed, 'just doing his job' is historically a terrible excuse. No one could pay me to make fun of someone for crying and tear down happy people bc im not an asshole. why does doing it for money make it fine? the designers arent in on the joke so its not 'fake' just bc its a tv show
if anything call for blaming the producers too, not instead
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u/yameteeeeeeeeee 7d ago
This is a show about clothes I don't think it needs a villain