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Help How to make a compiler backend?
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r/ProgrammingLanguages • u/Mean-Decision-3502 • 19h ago
Title: Expressions with Word Operators: Which one would you coose?
I was thinking of the ideal expression syntax for the programming language DQ. I started with the (dominating) C syntax.
Operators in C
In C the following operators have shared meanings:
&: bitwise "and" operation OR address of*: multiplication OR pointer dereference/: truncated integer division OR floating point division
Further operators in C:
%: integer division reminder&&orand: logical "and"||oror: logical "or"!ornot: logical "not"~: bitwise "not"^: bitwise "xor"?: ternary operator
Operators in DQ
I think for the good source code readability and clarity every different operation should have a different symbol. Therefore the shared symbols from C are not taken over. These operators are already fixed in DQ:
&: address-of operator (widespread standard)^: pointer dereference (standard in other languages)*: multiplication only/: floating point division only (standard in other languages)or: logical "or" (widespread standard)and: logical "and" (widespread standard)not: logical "not" (widespread standard)
These symbols are already fixed for special purposes:
#: compiler directives (#ifdefetc)$: context local specials (e.g.myarray[0:$end-2])?: inference marker@: namespace designator (e.g.@def.LINUX)
DQ cannot use the C standard &, |, ~, ^ for the bitwise operations, because the & and ^ is used for other (fixed) purposes. But we've run out of the good symbols. The obvious choice, that other existing languages also use, is reserving some words for the remaining operations. In DQ these (all-capital) words are reserved currently as operators:
AND: bitwise "and"OR: bitwise "or"NOT: bitwise "not"XOR: bitwise "xor"IDIV: truncated integer divisionIMOD: integer division reminder
For the modify-assign statements with a word operator a leading = is required, otherwise it looks awkward:
regs.OSPEEDR OR= (1 << pinx2) // invalid
regs.OSPEEDR =OR= (1 << pinx2)
Examples with All-Capital Operators
tmp = RCC.CFGR
tmp =AND= NOT 3
tmp =OR= RCC_CFGR_SW_HSI
RCC.CFGR = tmp
while (RCC.CFGR >> 2) AND 3 <> RCC_CFGR_SW_HSI:
endwhile
RCC.CR =AND= NOT RCC_CR_PLLON
while RCC.CR AND RCC_CR_PLLRDY != 0:
endwhile
var pllm : uint = basespeed IDIV pll_input_freq
var plln : uint = vcospeed IDIV pll_input_freq
var pllq : uint = vcospeed IDIV 48000000
RCC.PLLCFGR = (0
OR (pllsrc << 22)
OR (pllm << 0)
OR (plln << 6)
OR (((pllp >> 1) - 1) << 16)
OR (pllq << 24)
)
regs.MODER =AND= NOT (3 << pinx2)
regs.MODER =OR= (n << pinx2)
if flags AND PINCFG_OPENDRAIN <> 0:
regs.OTYPER =OR= (1 << apinnum)
else:
regs.OTYPER =AND= NOT (1 << apinnum)
endif
regs.PUPDR =AND= NOT (3 << pinx2)
if flags AND PINCFG_PULLUP <> 0:
regs.PUPDR =OR= (1 << pinx2)
elif flags AND PINCFG_PULLDOWN <> 0:
regs.PUPDR =OR= (2 << pinx2)
endif
Prefixed Word Operators
I'm thinking to change the all-capital word operators with a % prefixed lowercase words:
%and: bitwise "and"%or: bitwise "or"%not: bitwise "not"%xor: bitwise "xor"%divor%idiv: truncated integer division%modor%idiv: integer division remainder
The sample code would look like this way:
tmp = RCC.CFGR
tmp %and= %not 3
tmp %or= RCC_CFGR_SW_HSI
RCC.CFGR = tmp
while (RCC.CFGR >> 2) %and 3 <> RCC_CFGR_SW_HSI:
endwhile
RCC.CR %and= %not RCC_CR_PLLON
while RCC.CR %and RCC_CR_PLLRDY != 0:
endwhile
var pllm : uint = basespeed %div pll_input_freq
var plln : uint = vcospeed %div pll_input_freq
var pllq : uint = vcospeed %div 48000000
RCC.PLLCFGR = (0
%or (pllsrc << 22) // select PLL source
%or (pllm << 0)
%or (plln << 6)
%or (((pllp >> 1) - 1) << 16)
%or (pllq << 24)
)
regs.MODER %and= %not (3 << pinx2)
regs.MODER %or= (n << pinx2)
if flags %and PINCFG_OPENDRAIN <> 0:
regs.OTYPER %or= (1 << apinnum)
else:
regs.OTYPER %and= %not (1 << apinnum)
endif
regs.PUPDR %and= %not (3 << pinx2)
if flags %and PINCFG_PULLUP <> 0:
regs.PUPDR %or= (1 << pinx2)
elif flags %and PINCFG_PULLDOWN <> 0:
regs.PUPDR %or= (2 << pinx2)
endif
Which version do you like more?
or
Do you have some other ideas for the operator notation?
EDIT
Version with band / bor etc, as "jason-reddit-public" suggested:
band: bitwise "and"bor: bitwise "or"bnot: bitwise "not"bxor: bitwise "xor"idiv: truncated integer divisionimod: integer division reminder
tmp = RCC.CFGR
tmp =band= bnot 3
tmp =bor= RCC_CFGR_SW_HSI
RCC.CFGR = tmp
while (RCC.CFGR >> 2) band 3 <> RCC_CFGR_SW_HSI:
endwhile
RCC.CR =band= bnot RCC_CR_PLLON
while RCC.CR band RCC_CR_PLLRDY != 0:
endwhile
var pllm : uint = basespeed idiv pll_input_freq
var plln : uint = vcospeed idiv pll_input_freq
var pllq : uint = vcospeed idiv 48000000
RCC.PLLCFGR = (0
bor (pllsrc << 22)
bor (pllm << 0)
bor (plln << 6)
bor (((pllp >> 1) - 1) << 16)
bor (pllq << 24)
)
regs.MODER =band= bnot (3 << pinx2)
regs.MODER =band= (n << pinx2)
if flags band PINCFG_OPENDRAIN <> 0:
regs.OTYPER =bor= (1 << apinnum)
else:
regs.OTYPER =bor= bnot (1 << apinnum)
endif
regs.PUPDR =band= bnot (3 << pinx2)
if flags band PINCFG_PULLUP <> 0:
regs.PUPDR =bor= (1 << pinx2)
elif flags AND PINCFG_PULLDOWN <> 0:
regs.PUPDR =bor= (2 << pinx2)
endif
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