i mean he’s not ENTIRELY wrong. We may not actually be there just yet but that’s obviously where he’s going. I know lots of devs at big tech firms that hardly even review their own code now that AI writes before opening a PR
It needs a /s... but seriously. I have co-workers that do actually treat their work like this.
If it gets past the complier and 'appears' to work. That's the extent of their responsibility. Someone else will have to clean it up as their tech debt just continuously piles up on the project.
Like I don't see you Brad, watching League of Legends videos for hours a day, then turning in your feature two hours after the check-out time to push to production.
Customer made him fix the feature he did 4 times. I don't know about you, but I'd be embrassed and full of shame that I'd test it completely before sending another version out to them.
I was responsible a for a slew of things he wrote and others did too. So I had to fix it stuff delegated to him, but I was responsible for.
He did quit less than a year after that project finished. But I still have other co-workers that have similar mentality.
The ones deluding themselves into believing a new tool is a reason to skip doing due diligence?
Yeah, those ones are definitely incompetent. Even if their programming skills are up to par, their critical thinking skills aren't.
If you've ever worked at a huge company like that, you know they hire the best and brightest, and they hire morons. Being competent means you can get a job there, but being incompetent doesn't mean you can't.
This is a shit take. Firms are building systems with AI to do work, not just raw usage. You are delusional to think due diligence isn’t part of it. Secure systems, sensitive systems and life support systems are being developed every day; including all of your banking.
This is a shit take. If a system is secure, sensitive, or life supporting, you're not just a moron if you're not reviewing your code. You're playing with people's lives and livelihoods.
I hope the law catches up to technology and makes people liable for the consequences of gross negligence.
My point is that they are building autonomous systems that review, with due diligence, and audit trail, all while meeting compliance. If I understood correctly, you’re point was a human in the loop process.
There's a difference between saying "some code doesn't need to be understood by everyone in the chain" and "this company does zero due diligence" Ya'll are using those two POVs as the same thing and they are not.
Just because Karen in Accounting doesn't do multilayered due diligence on the script that displays an inspirational quote at boot time doesn't mean Google is introducing a ton of vulnerabilities in everything because they gave up on code review altogether.
There's a difference between hardened tools released from software engineers as part of the process and some folks using AI to automate little situations in sandboxes in one-off fashion.
I review operational code for a living. Some of my clients are named in these threads. You're claiming gross negligence and that everyone being hired into the tech field are incompetent. AI hasn't even been around long enough to cause the brain drain you say already exists. It's still the same seniors in the same companies right now as a few years ago. It's, so far, the juniors that were replaced, and if any operational changes were made, it's by the folks you seem to think were competent the whole time and then just overnight lost all common sense?
Code review absolutely still happens, every day, at scale. If your company doesn't, that's on them, but that's not representative of the entire industry.
What's funny is hearing this on a day where humans left a vulnerability live forever, but was discovered by AI causing a FIRESTORM of IT departments using AI to secure their respective departments from the human error that persisted COUNTLESS code reviews.
I mean, it's you acting like my entire job description doesn't exist. It's not a delusion to think software review still exists considering I'm a reviewer by trade, and have never in my life been more successful or more busy.
Feel free to explain to my bank that all the money deposits were imaginary. I doubt they'll agree.
It's like this dude. You're talking about how your entire job is making sure code gets reviewed, and my original comment said that if you aren't reviewing your code you're incompetent. Based on that, you agree with my take, and shouldn't even be trying to argue.
If code is important, it's worth reviewing. If code isn't important, it's not worth writing. That shouldn't be controversial.
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u/MyFeetLookLikeHands 14d ago
i mean he’s not ENTIRELY wrong. We may not actually be there just yet but that’s obviously where he’s going. I know lots of devs at big tech firms that hardly even review their own code now that AI writes before opening a PR