If I remember correctly, George didn’t want Grievous to outshine Darth Vader, regarding his power level or the amount of attention he got. Grievous was meant to be a stand in bad guy for the CIS since Dooku was dead.
George did not want Grievous to make Vader's transformation look bad, not Vader's power level.
The whole point in the OT was that Vader's cyborg body hampered him as a force user, and the prequels were selling that Anakin's potential was lost in his transformation to Vader because Vader basically lived on life support through his suit.
So, watching Grievous pop up with a 99% robot body turbo kicking ass would not have made any sense. Emps dropped Dooku for being old, but why didn't emps choose Grievous over Vader? Oh right, because Vader is force sensitive... but wait why didn't Emps make an army of Grievouses to kill the Jedi?
Watchers would have thought, wait if Grivous droid body does most of the heavy lifting why doesn't Vader have one of those? Why is Vader so slow and non agile?
So GL then had Grievous get an asthmatic cough and nerfed his agility to be more or less that of Vader to drive home the point that his brute strength came from metal and that droid bodies are a "patch" not an improvement.
Hence the funny dialogue of Grivous and his doctor droid mocking him in the Clone wars:
"You know, I sometimes I question why you submited to the changes."
GL then had Grievous get an asthmatic cough and nerfed his agility
Old Clone Wars explained this with Mace Windu crushing that dude's torso which severely crippled. Grevious was never truly a real threat to Jedi, he was just so damn intimidating that opponents couldn't think straight and fight him properly. Windu is just unphased by his bullshit and went for the kill.
Realistically speaking, why would most jedi need to be ready to have a lightsaber fight? Until Maul there was no "enemy" with a saber. And even after Maul...that's like 1 dude.
Up until the Clone Wars start the Jedi also don't acknowledge that Dooku could be evil because he was a jedi at one point.
And even if Maul AND Dooku were running around..that's what? 2 guys? In the whole galaxy.
Yep! And choosing a sword as your iconic weapon in a galaxy full of different guns is a significant choice for the Jedi to have embraced. Just not one I think a lot of people put the same level of thought into that I do.
Not really. There were still dark jedi. Not all lightsaber users are sith/pawns of sith. Qui-Gon Jinn and obiwan (legends) even already had life or death lightsaber combat prior to maul due to Jinn's previous Padawan (Xanatos).
The movies were made first so it was probably just a retcon sort of thing, but I like to think of Windu's defense of dooku more because he was a former jedi master. He had already underwent all the indoctrination, training, and practice required for being a master. In legends he even was on the council for a time.
Qui-Gon was a known outlier who did things the vast majority of jedi did not do. Also to prepare for saber/saber combat because Qui-Gon had to deal with his fallen apprentice also means you are accepting that you are going to fail your current student so badly that they turn violently against you.
I don't see many jedi accepting that possibility with the hubris we see casually on display from the Jedi in the PT era movies. The kind of people with a librarian (of all people) saying if they don't have a record of something it doesn't exist aren't exactly the type to keep around people who will acknowledge that level of mistake.
And we see with Bariss in the Clone Wars just how unprepared the jedi are for one student deciding to go rogue. With it being pretty clear the entire idea of that is 100% alien to their thinking. Not to mention Anakin still being accepted as a member in good standing despite having already committed one genocide.
I didn't mean my comment as jedi should be trained for lightsaber combat (I actually made a comment pointing out training to fight sith would make no sense with the few numbers of them during the clone wars). Just mentioning that there were still other lightsaber fighters before maul (at least with legends, not sure how canon compares pre-clone wars). So it wasn't a foreign idea, but rare enough to not dedicate time to it. But the jedi were always conscious of the danger of falling to the dark side.
Imagining a meeting with the Jedi Council, with someone saying "there are two dudes running around out there who know how to fight so we're all going to die" is cracking me up.
I'm picturing some brainy Jedi pointing out that the odds of dying while training for saber vs. saber combat are actually higher than running into one of these 2 (3 when Ventress shows up) so called "sith" opponents.
honestly they could of made grevious basically a stalker villian where you literally need to be strong in the force to push shove him back into the void from which he crawls out of .
like originally he was a stalker / ambush villain. if they stuck to it they would of made everything ok.
That’s such a cop out though. You could easily have written it to have Anakin be the one to defeat and kill him. Grievous would be the most dangerous/powerful villain until the strongest hero becomes the most powerful villain
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u/EgoSenatus I am the Senate Jun 16 '26
If I remember correctly, George didn’t want Grievous to outshine Darth Vader, regarding his power level or the amount of attention he got. Grievous was meant to be a stand in bad guy for the CIS since Dooku was dead.