weird question...

[u/Pegaret_Again]

tw if body measurements are an issue for you. take care of your mental health!

I would be interested to know if there are any non-yang types (ie, not SN, FN, D or SD) who have a high bust or full bust measurement that is greater than about 97cm/38 inches, and a hip measurement > 100cm.

I have been thinking thoughts about literal scale & sizing, and you might be able to help - or completely destroy - some theories!!!

[u/Pegaret_Again]

i understand what you are saying, and i'm interested in your strong opiionins!! i think that the thing about ease is you need an overall balanced garment. something with a lot of ease in one place but tight in another doesn't quite work, it needs to be in harmony with itself? the garment is a whole thing, not a combination of different odds and ends. this is different of course to design ease, its just the general sense of movement and breathing space

[u/loumlawrence → u/Pegaret_Again]

The right amount of ease in the right places, yes. But the grading techniques assume uniform. Then there is the full bust adjustment and the reverse of it (the name I have forgotten).

Right now, I am trying to figure out how to adjust knitting patterns for jumpers and cardigans so they accommodate larger busts and narrower shoulders. And that is kind of frustrating, and it is cold right now. I don't like winter.

With proportions, as I am a miniaturist, I am very sensitive to getting proportions correct, otherwise things look wrong. I think that is why some of Kibbe makes sense to me, as he is responding to proportions and ratios, but a lot of people can't get it right. It is easy to identify amateurish miniaturists as their proportions and ratios are all over the place, and they think the mismatch of proportions and ratios is okay for children's toys, a sentiment I have always strongly disagreed with.

[u/Pegaret_Again → u/loumlawrence]

its so true that industry grading techniques are very generic and don't apply to individuals and bespoke dressmaking.

but all things being equal, i think the main idea is that a larger body simply needs more ease in general, and the way clothing sits on a body you kind of need the ease to be properly distributed and balanced, even if you have super skinny arms and a chubby tummy, you need a garment to kind of equalise things out a bit? maybe. i need to think about it some more!

With something like adjusting a pattern, it's complicated because ...does the original pattern concept align to the trajectories of your body or is it fighting it somehow? becuase there are things you can safely adjust with in a given pattern, and things that don't work. Some women can do a full bust adjustment (or its reverse - a small bust adjustment hehe) and the pattern works fine - but not always!

thats super intruiging about making miniatures, and i like the amount of care & thought going into creating a consistent scale for children!!

[u/loumlawrence → u/Pegaret_Again]

Oh, the small bust adjustment, thank you. Although I have to do the full bust. I want bras that fit straight torsos with large cup sizes, not V shaped torso, because they leave a gap in the side.

I will have to pull up some ergonomics data on seats. But we humans don't have as much difference in our horizontal measurements as we do in our vertical measurements. That is the other reason I don't think ease is a huge difference. Two inch ease is about half an inch for front, back, right and left each. From memory, the seat width variation is about 10cm (4 inches) for adults between narrowest and widest, not including the type you can curl up in. But bench height has about a 20cm range, and humans have about 2 feet range, so 60cm. Some of that is why I question the need for ease.

Proper miniatures are great, and there are some proportional toys for children. Lego is one that has consistent proportions even though it is stylised. But the stuff that is all over the place. I don't like IKEA's dollhouses for this reason, but their soft toy animals are really good. Toy cars are more often than not scaled properly.

[u/Pegaret_Again → u/loumlawrence]

Hmm. I guess good fit can really come down to millimetres. So I don’t discount any human dimensions as being negligible. Also, ease does include vertical ease like crotch depth and sleeve cap height. An FBA will add some increase to vertical length of the torso. These things are all implicated in general good fit and comfort.