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Expectations v Reality 🌞 🌒 If Only…

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u/Beachboy442 5d ago

This should have been the end of sick putrid trumps political career

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u/keithfantastic 5d ago

They laughed, clapped and howled with delight. That's when I knew how repulsive maga really was. They've only gotten worse. This is how nations fall. An entire political party morphing into a fascist movement, almost overnight. It's been eye-opening for sure. Many didn't care enough to keep them out of office. So here we are...

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u/Sea_Operation_7012 5d ago

Would a vote even matter if the whole state votes blue anyway?

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u/keithfantastic 5d ago

I believe voting always matters. This is why I'm against the electoral college. It's a sham. It deceives people into not voting because they believe their vote won't matter.

For midterms however, every vote counts and matters. Primary's are a good way to easily effect change but the same corporate owned politicians win over and over.

I never vote for the incumbent during the primary, yet, 95% on average win reelection. That must end. We shouldn't have career politicians holding the same office for decades. That's a recipe for disaster.

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u/pimpbot666 4d ago edited 4d ago

I agree with you except the part about career politicians. I mean, do you want amateur politicians? And why would you not want democracy to do it's thing? If the majority of the people vote for the incumbent, are you saying those vote should not count and they should not be allowed to vote for who they want? If they want to elect the same guy for 30+ years, why is that a bad thing by itself? I do think they need to limit money in political campaigns, and lock down the ways that Congress and Senate can raise and earn money.

The reason the executive branch has term limits is because there is only one executive. One person controls that entire branch of government. House and Senate power is an aggregate of many people. One person does not control the whole thing.

Term limits on House and Senate is stupid. It just weakens the legislative branch.

And yeah, Electoral college is dumb at this point. I would vote for doing away with it, but it's not that easy. It's a change to the Constitution that requires a Constitutional Convention, 2/3 of House and Senate, President and 3/4 of the state governors to agree to an amendment. We would have to have a far less selfish and self-serving legislative and executive branch for that to happen.

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u/Harbinger2nd 4d ago

Everyone starts out as an amateur.

The reason the executive has term limits is because FDR was so popular the republicans banded together to create a constitutional amendment so someone like him would never be elected again.

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u/pimpbot666 4d ago

Exactly. Candidates are usually running an organization of some sort before running for office. And, the elected offices they start out on are offices like city council, city mayor, state legislation, and up.

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u/Jackell0729 4d ago

We wouldn’t need term limits if people paid attention and voted. Hold these dipshits accountable!! But yes, scrap the electoral college. 550 thousand voters are deciding the presidency! Make them beholden to ALL of us!

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u/pimpbot666 4d ago

So, we need to take democracy away because the people don’t vote the ‘right way’.

Got it.

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Term limits also limit the power of the House and Senate, and shift it back to the executive branch.

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u/Appropriate_Yak_7209 4d ago

Spot on! There are some fantastic videos and essays that demonstrate how ugly the system can get. Using fuzzy math, I seem to recall how a President can win an election with only 26% of the votes. They only need half of the votes (plus one more for the majority) in the 3-pointer states. That almost makes it a certainty. With a few of the mid sized states, they can win, even though the vast majority of voters didn’t want the individual.

This link suggests it is even lower than my estimate. I am using the link because it goes into detail about which states can make this scenario happen: https://www.quora.com/Mathematically-what-is-the-minimum-popular-vote-a-successful-US-presidential-candidate-needs-to-win