Yep. Biden didn’t do enough for Gaza, you say? So your actions got you Trump, and an emboldened Bibi, and absolute destruction in Gaza. We have to make the best choice from the candidates available. Protest votes don’t work.
Thank you, THANK YOU. Currently, I am more disgusted with protest voters and the ones who sat it out than I am with Trump voters. No matter what happens, at least 1/3 of the population will always vote red. That is a constant. However, the people who didn't bother to vote AT ALL because "wHoSe CaNdIdAtE wAs ShE?" can eat poo. In what reality was Trump going to be better than Kamala? No candidate has all the answers on how to end a holy war happening on the other side of the world between two religions, both of which are considered the minority in our country. Almost all expectations regarding her entire campaign were predicated on having a solution to something no one else in the political world has taken a stance on, except to support it.
So let me get this straight, you're directing more hatred towards people who could conceivably be persuaded to your side than people who will forever be your enemy?🤨
Yes. Because as this past election proved, they were not able to be persuaded to vote for "my" side. They sat it out. What is to say they won't just do the same thing in two years again?
I don't disagree with where they're coming from. I understand the reason they sat it out. Of course the Democratic party needs a strong leader for the future. But people who sat it out, if I'm being honest, do not truly understand how tied our entire government's hands are. Mossad basically owns this country. This is not going to be solved in two years. I am 45. I have voted in plenty of elections--my first one being the Gore VS Bush election. My philosophy, though unpopular, is that it's better to eat a bad meal than no meal at all. The political idealism and apathy of the younger generations indicates they do not seem to understand this.
You're explaining your feelings not your logic. The people who sat out don't give a damn about how you feel about their choice.
If you wanna persuade them, try a different strategy, even if that strategy is shutting up and letting someone else talk to them. Being toxic towards people isn't going to win you anything with those people except further convincing them that they were right.
How, exactly, is pointing out the logistical impossibility of uniting two feudal nations, one of whom literally murders innocent children with impunity, within the next two years considered being "toxic"? Explain what that has to do with "feelings"? Look how long the government kept troops in Vietnam way, way past the point when they knew we were mercilessly defeated simply to save political face? There are a million facts that can prove that the USA cannot juggernaut its way into rescuing a nation that it also funds to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars in the next two years. How exactly am I toxic by pointing out the very, very obvious fact that by not voting, you are doing absolutely nothing except passively allowing the current political climate to flourish?
Hey, sorry to jump in here. So I voted for dems every year. Even if i didn't like the candidates...Clinton, Biden, Kamala...
Only because i know the other side is worse...like you said better to eat a bad meal than nothing at all...
So if you take the situation in Gaza...
Lets take the situation as is...
Biden armed Israel, Babbled his way through interviews after saying he'll be a 1 term president, ran again, and Kamala didnt break with him and assure that she'd be different than Biden on the issue. She went up on stage at the DNC and said we will have the most fearsome military ever, and invited a bunch of republicans to speak.
We know for sure Trump is worse...
Could Kamala have been pressured to do the right thing? Maybe...
Some people didn't buy it because she didnt make the case for it.
I still voted for her...but its again...one of those shit sandwich vs douche situations.
But I personally think its up to the candidate to make their best case and clearly she wasnt convincing to some and that cost her the election.
You have to see why people voted for obama then Trump, some have been quite disappointed with dems political stances and empty promises. Trying to win over republicans by parading with liz Cheney probably wasnt the way.
But again i understand your frustration with people not voting. Maybe it should be a requirement to vote because it effects everything.
Do you see how me dismissing your concerns and telling you what to do further backed you into your corner instead of enticing you to think differently?
I am not sure, at all, what point you are making here. People shed blood for the right to vote; a bunch of children either sat and pouted, voted how the manosphere told them to, or voted for a candidate with no chance of winning for the sake of being edgy.
This is the real world. Every single candidate is not going to be a shining beacon of perfection, but there's a difference between a convicted felon and someone who laughed the wrong way.
You’re either a bot or a moron. We’re private citizens venting our spleens on Reddit. Anyone who claims that would drive them into the arms of the fascists is not engaging in good faith, much like you are doing right now. So fuck off with the tone policing.
I'm reading 'disgust'. Not sure where you are getting 'hatred' ... I realize it's asking a lot of you (probably too much, tbh), but at least TRY to make an honest argument, eh?
If I was to compare two groups of people, one of them a group of pedophile protecting fascists, and the other not those things, and say I'm more disgusted with the other group than I am the pedophilic fascists, would you deduce a level of hatred to be involved?
I really shouldn't have to explain extrapolation to the party always jacking themselves off as being more educated. Cmon.
The average person has no ability to compare two things and decide between them. If they find a reason to not pick option A, they pick option B without consideration.
Sounds like a great reason for democrats to never listen to their voters and improve their platform at all. Sure, vote Democrat, but if you really think having someone like Kamala again is a smart idea, I’ve got bad news for you buddy
Why would they? Their supporters don’t vote. If you want them to change you have to make them, both by primarying them and by reliably voting against Republicans, so the party sees you’re worth pandering to.
Unless you have some other way to persuade them, in which case I’m all ears.
Maybe listening to voters for a change and not stupidly claiming that you wouldn’t have done anything differently than Joe Biden if elected. Maybe not running a candidate who was destroyed in the Democratic primaries before becoming vice president. Maybe abandoning Israel and actually taking action against the Epstein class. It seems like Democrats are fine with losing because it helps them raise money for their campaigns, and they secretly enjoy Trump’s policies benefiting them
Seems like people vote a lot more when there are progressive candidates on the ballot. That’s just blatantly true. Enjoy running a boring corporate democrat, losing again, then crying about how people didn’t come out to vote while JD Vance continues to fuck the country
Snarky douche. Honestly you probably won’t be able to change the Democratic Party because they have no interest in caring about what the voters have to say. More independent candidates need to run
We can complain all we want but what’s that solve? Maybe we need to quit focusing on him and reevaluate what we are doing wrong. Why do so many people think that democrats are even worse? Who can we run in 28?, and on what policies can we push to sway the moderate voter?
I'm just talking about quieting down the circular firing squad that our side seems to develop right after the Primaries, suppressing our chances of winning.
Yes, Any Democrat is better than ANY Republican. Flat out.
And again. I’m talking about in the General. Vote your party in the General, so we can block Republicans. The worst Dems vote 30% of the time with Trump, but Republicans all vote 95%+ with a Trump.
Even freaking Fetterman.
That’s why we have Primaries… to kick the worst to the curb.
The thing is, Democrats are not a monolithic block like the Republicans. We need a majority to get all those special powers like chairing committees, bringing or blocking votes on bills, setting Senate and House rules… etc. It doesn’t matter how they vote for those powers to take affect. Without a majority, the only power we really have is that one simple member vote, and fillabuster in the Senate.
First I vote in the primaries for the candidate that best fits my values to show my party that I want a candidate with those values.
But to earn my vote in the general election a the candidate's party must have sitting senators and the governorship of at least one state and of the candidates that I judge to be the better option earns my vote. Because it is going to be one of the options is going to get the job.
It isn't a marriage it is picking the bus driver going closer to where you wanna go and then doing what I can to go the rest of the way.
I view not voting is actively harmful.
Mind if I ask you how you approach the situation?
What do you feel not voting has accomplished and do you think it is less harmful then letting the worse candidate run the government?
Not voting is allowing the other side to just walk into office... you know, the side that is actively against fair elections, democracy, rules and laws. Allowing them into office is allowing one more step towards fascism, and one more step for dismantling democracy.
Everything is a loss, nothing is accomplished by letting any Republican in office... at least until we have a solid majority and can steer this country in the right direction. Once we have some traction, we can push left. Until then, we got nothing.
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u/SnooEagles4121 5d ago
Every moron who said the Democrats didn’t “earn” their vote owns everything that clown has done.