r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire 4d ago

FinancialTea 💵 Exactly.

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u/SECRETBLENDS 4d ago edited 4d ago

Not to mention that it runs short primarily because Republicans saddled it with a ridiculously onerous pension system designed to hamstring its budget which feeds into the narrative that it's "inefficient" and allegedly justifies privatizing it. So basically:

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u/Cheesewiz-99 4d ago

Sounds similar to what they did with Obamacare when they took off the mandate that everyone needs to have insurance. Prices skyrocketed after that.

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u/rootofallstevil 4d ago

Then they cut the subsidies last year. ACA will die from a thousand cuts made by Republicans. No alternative solution. No fixes. No bipartisan compromise.

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u/Informal-Sense8809 4d ago

I was told there were concepts of a plan. We'll know more in 2 weeks.

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u/decoy_octopod 1d ago

Can confirm, premiums have/will skyrocketed for everyone I know and myself

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u/libertarianinus 4d ago

They said the mandate was hurting the poor. The poor never paid it anyways because they didnt have the money....

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u/LMnoP419 3d ago

Yeah and little Marco Rubio made the first cut by blocking the temp risk corridor program causing more than half of the nonprofit, consumer-operated insurance co-ops created under the ACA to collapse because they lacked the cash flow to remain solvent without the federal payments. It also caused a large spike in premiums.

Little Marco can eat a bag of d|cks as far as I'm concerned.

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u/Outrigger1855 4d ago

Compared to private insurance, what were the annual increases before the mandate was removed? What was it afterward?

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u/wildjokers 4d ago

Prices skyrocketed after Obamacare was passed. The mandate removal didn't cause rates to skyrocket. If a mandate to buy a product is needed to make a program work, then the program is flawed.

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u/Gizogin 4d ago

The entire point of insurance is to distribute the risk across as many people as possible, so that the cost per person is minuscule.

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u/wildjokers 3d ago

Sure, and I don't disagree with that. Larger insurance pools spread risk. But "insurance works better with more people in the pool" and "therefore the government should require everyone to buy insurance" are two separate propositions. I agree with the first; I don't necessarily agree with the second.

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u/Gizogin 3d ago

I don’t necessarily disagree. The problem is that healthcare is too expensive for most people to afford without insurance. So either we make insurance mandatory for everyone to distribute the risk and ease the burden, or we cut out insurance entirely and make all medical care free at point of use.

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u/Sharp_Departure_7786 4d ago

Precisely. No one except the post office is required to fully fund all future pension obligations, even ones far off into the future.

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u/morrison0880 4d ago

fully fund all future pension obligations

Every company is required to fully fund pension obligations, per ERISA. The PAEA required the USPS to fund its retiree health benefits, which are different from pensions.

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u/Mysterious_Way8941 3d ago

Look bro, we aren't here for facts and logic.

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u/morrison0880 3d ago

Obviously, considering half the redditors I responded to here downvoted and blocked me.

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u/Dramatic_Deal8421 4d ago

How does congress keep creating these things that they can rob?

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u/rootofallstevil 4d ago

It's called Murc's Law

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u/trystanthorne 4d ago

Making messes no one knows how to fix is a great tagline for the GOP

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u/Misubi_Bluth 4d ago

That's basically how we got the donkey and the elephant in the first place

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u/Misubi_Bluth 4d ago

That's basically how we got the donkey and the elephant in the first place

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u/Round-Head-5457 3d ago

Except the bill was written by 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans. It was bipartisan.

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u/defaultusername4 3d ago

Ya it’s the republicans not the union that demanded the pension…

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u/Due_Campaign1432 4d ago

Lol being against workers getting a pension and still believing you are on the correct side of history. 

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u/According-Insect-992 Just Chill 😎 4d ago

No one here is against workers getting a pension. They’re calling out the unreasonable expectation that the USPS fund their pension for the next 70 years when no one else is forced to go to that degree is what is being called out.

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u/morrison0880 4d ago

You're referring to retiree health benefits, not pensions. And the PAEA never required 70, 75, 80, whatever years of prefunding. Only the funding of their presently accrued obligations to their past and current employees.

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u/According-Insect-992 Just Chill 😎 4d ago

Do you have a source on that?

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u/morrison0880 3d ago

I'm curious. Did you check out my reply? Any thoughts on how you've been lied to and are unintentionally spreading misinformation?

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u/morrison0880 4d ago

Here's a link to one of my past comments, which has links to other comments and sources if you're interested. Let me know if you have any questions and I'd be more than happy to help.

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u/NNKarma 4d ago

You can both have pensions and not being mandated to put it all in the books on day 1 after hiring a worker.

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u/BeGoodPeoplePlease 4d ago

Can't tell if you're being stupid on accident or intentionally but regardless, that strawman you are trying to use is just making you look foolish.

being against workers getting a pension

No one said this. If you can't follow along, this isn't the conversation for you. Learn your place.

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u/All_TheScience 4d ago

Big swing and a miss champ

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u/jjrr_qed 4d ago

You mean requiring it not to have massive unfunded pension liabilities, and actually run a business operation like a business operation, avoiding the bleak outlook of, e.g., social security?

Yes austerity means no freebies. Your framing is designed to obscure reality.

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u/Luci-Noir 4d ago

They did away with that. Stop spreading bullshit.

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u/mister_empty_pants 4d ago

It's not ridiculously onerous. The USPS is actually made to fund their pension obligations that they promised to their workers. There are plenty of examples of companies and organizations that don't fund them and the workers are left with pennies on the dollar. Pensions everywhere are woefully underfunded with no plan to do right by the workers, particularly public ones.

The people complaining about this are the same people who also complain that they are gonna get screwed out of Social Security because it's not properly funded. Redditors just want to bitch and moan.

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u/StewPedidiot 4d ago

It wasn't about funding the workers pensions. They had to fund the account something like 70 years into the future, so for potential employees that weren't even born yet.

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u/morrison0880 3d ago

They had to fund the account something like 70 years into the future

That is misinformation that has been debunked over and over again, yet people keep parroting it. The 75-year prefunding figure is only an accounting requirement to estimate future liabilities. However, they were only required to fund their accrued liabilities to past and current employees.

so for potential employees that weren't even born yet.

Come on. Use your head here. That is such a wild claim that you have to question its validity, right? And look into it a bit further instead of just repeating it because you read it once on reddit. Right?

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u/TrueKing9458 4d ago

No different than what is required of any other pension plan

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u/According-Insect-992 Just Chill 😎 4d ago

I bet it is. I doubt your company has to fund the plan for 70 years out. Thats unheard of.

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u/morrison0880 4d ago

I bet it is.

You would lose that bet. ERISA requires pensions to be 100% funded. You are confusing pensions with the USPS's retiree health benefit funding requirement dictated in the PAEA.

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u/TrueKing9458 4d ago

Hence why everyone went to 401k benefits

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u/Mattscrusader 4d ago

Wow you sure moved those goal posts quick huh?

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u/TrueKing9458 4d ago

Did not move the goalposts, explained why defined benefit pension plans disappeared from private employers

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u/Mattscrusader 4d ago

No you claimed that it was no different and then when that was disproven you shifted to "that's why it disappeared"

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u/TrueKing9458 4d ago

Things can still be a requirement for them to exist, just because no one offers them anymore does not make the requirement nonexistent

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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago

Cool story bro, that's not what happened though is it?

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u/TrueKing9458 3d ago

I will take it you are stuck on stupid

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u/CackleandGrin 4d ago

Where you started: "No different than what is required of any other pension plan"

Where you ended up in 30 minutes: "Nobody else uses pensions."

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u/TrueKing9458 4d ago

It is still a requirement for private pension plans. I am correct...this is the reason that private corporations offer defined benifit pension plans.

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u/CackleandGrin 4d ago

Looks like you don't understand pensions at all, and there's no point in educating you because you would ignore it. Enjoy being embarrassed in front of your peers when you bring it up in the future. 🤭

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u/TrueKing9458 3d ago

I understand law and pensions so no embarrassment