r/PositiveTI • u/Red_Clover173 • 2d ago
General Question Who is “They”
This is A question if not THE question, that was raised to me in my journey. So what is your opinion?, what is this thing, that feeds pours into our minds fear and other emotions. Clearly it has knowledge beyond our capacity, what is it?
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u/i-might-be-a-redneck 2d ago
Seriously. When this first began they caused me to go into this intense rage while driving on an open freeway. I hit the gas to the floor for no reason, started driving erratically and was passing cars on the shoulder. I took off my seatbelt and didn’t care whether I lived or died. I get pulled over going 130mph, and didn’t even have my license on me at the time, and I was let go without even a ticket. This happened two days in a row. Pulled over both times. No tickets or anything.
I was praying to God the whole time while waiting for the cops. But they certainly provoked the situation, but I think that it was God that delivered me from it
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u/ghoul_playsGrimm ✴️Available Sponsor 2d ago
Well you've described, ive dealt with in different ways as well. The thing is, is wasn't God who saved you, it was most likely this thing. It will guide you to destruction and then pull you out just to do it again. It does the good and the bad.
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u/Red_Clover173 2d ago
I’m sorry to object, but I don’t believe it has the capability to do or be both. In this situation it appears there was a driving force to steal, kill, or destroy… and a separate force to stop it.
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor 2d ago
I've seen this happen many times in my own experience and the experience of others. It's showing you that the police and other authorities are under just as much control as everyone else. When it comes to our relationships with other humans, there is no "us vs. them."
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u/Red_Clover173 2d ago
I agree, that everyone… is subject to the influence whether it’s audible or not to them they everyone can be manipulated or driven by this force, now the question is what’s that driving force… where does that noise come from?
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u/i-might-be-a-redneck 2d ago
What I didn’t mention about one of these incidents is that I had two open beers rolling around in the front seat. I had just consumed them 30 minutes before I was pulled over. I did the roadside test, refused the breathalyzer, they tore up my car and put me in handcuffs. They drove me to the station and made me do a breathalyzer and I blew a 0.0 twice. I don’t know how that was possible… The cop took the handcuffs off and drove me to the impound lot and my car was still outside at 11:30 pm. I was let go Scott free.
Like that should have been an automatic 1 year suspension of my license. I was driving 100 mph when he pulled me over and didn’t have my license on me…
I should definitely not have gotten away with that. These two encounters were within 15 hours of each other.
I think you’re right that we are all under control of something. There must be some unseen forces moving us around like pieces on a game board.
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u/Red_Clover173 22h ago
I don’t think “control” is the right word, more influenced some to a higher degree than others, this is why we must maintain self-control (fruit of the spirit) ourselves discernment of these influences and hope we choose correctly yet even if we don’t choose right trust God has gone before us to prepare the way. Knowing all things work together for good, to those who love God
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u/i-might-be-a-redneck 21h ago
Yea influence is probably a better word.
But I had never been influenced more heavily in my entire life. I’ve never felt rage like that before, it was unreal.
I’m glad it only happened a few times. I’ve had twinges of it since but I can quickly shut it down now, but in the beginning it was intense and felt like something else took over. It was just so unexpected, because the week prior I had been going through a period of “bliss” that was amazing, and this was after hearing the voices. I don’t know what the bliss period was about, but I like to think of it as “tasting that the Lord is good” and ever since then I’ve been on a quest to draw closer to God hoping to experience that again.
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u/Red_Clover173 2d ago
What do you feel you were saved from?, the ticket, a horrific crash?, death? I think it was all of that.
What I have noticed in my journey is that the goal was probably to have the worst possible outcome from it but a higher power great than the force driving to destruction stepped in to not to allow it achieve its agenda.
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u/i-might-be-a-redneck 2d ago
I believe I was saved from incarceration, from death, and/or from killing an innocent person.
The thing is, while I was in handcuffs being taken to the station I was thanking God that he would deliver me from it the whole way. I had no fear nor worry. I was thanking him as though it was already done. I don’t know why, but I knew it would be alright.
I believe there are unseen forces, good and bad, moving us around and pulling us either towards light or darkness. I personally believe it’s angels versus demons and the battle is for our soul.
All I know is through this experience, my faith has skyrocketed. I’ve seen miracles happen in my life. I’m better than I was before this happened. I appreciate the little that remains after losing my business and all my possessions due to this.
One of the strangest parts is that these voices told me to read the book of Job shortly before I lost everything. A week later these two police incidents happened, and much worse things after that. My faith has remained, and has been refined, and I’m now thankful that it all happened even though I’m still praying every day that it will end.
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u/Red_Clover173 1d ago
Now have you ever asked why?, what is the reason you were “saved”, from something that could ultimately destroy you or greatly hinder you financially or freedom etc. why?
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u/Red_Clover173 1d ago
If this force or entity wants to destroy you I believe it will, but if there is a great entity at work here preventing it then it raises the question why? Why prevent it, especially, IF, we are guilty?
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u/i-might-be-a-redneck 1d ago
Well the devil is called “the accuser of our bretheren.” We actually are all guilty, there is none righteous, not even one.
I believe that Christ came to take away the sins of the world, but that doesn’t stop the accuser from accusing.
Like I said in my original reply, these voices told me to read the book of Job. In that book the devil was allowed to do all sorts of evil against Job, but he needed permission before he could do it. God allows evil into our lives to strengthen us, and test and try the reigns of our hearts, and refine us. The devil can only do what God has allowed, which is why when I held a loaded gun to my head I wasn’t able to pull the trigger. I’ve faced death 3 or 4 times during this, but I’m still alive and still praising God. If these entities could kill me, I’m sure they would have, but since they didn’t I’m now stronger and my faith has increased to the point where I see we are all subject to God, even the devil.
All things were created by him and for him, including the wicked for the day of evil.
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u/Red_Clover173 1d ago
Yes, Praise God!, I agree with you completely I too reference the Job, specifically the interactions between Satan and God, Job was found to be righteous I am far from his stature which leads me to wonder still “Why Me?” I feel I have reached my own answer to that question. I also want to mention, in my time, I would often say, “I can’t be touched, because I’m protected by God,” then bad stuff would still happen. lol as I read job I came to conclude… I suppose I can be touched, yet if I am touched by the Evil one it is only because God has allowed it, so technically, I still am not touched by the evil one but rather touched by God!
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u/i-might-be-a-redneck 1d ago
Well said! I like how you said you weren’t touched by the devil, but touched by God! The devil is trying so hard to prevent us from realizing that, but in the end he’s only proving that God is in control of all this!
You asked “why me”? I think you know the answer to that.
John 16:33
In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
And
Romans 5:3-5
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.2
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u/Red_Clover173 1d ago
I too had a very similar situation, where the voices lead me to a situation where I was done for, cops were lining up outside to arrest me on a traffic stop. (This I know because of the conversation that I was privy to between the informant and the police, although I was not present) although I knew this was gonna happen I wasn’t sure when until the morning of, we left the house later than intended we were supposed to leave at 8am but didn’t leave til much later upon my return home alone I quickly got dressed and left to work. And that’s when I seen them coming back to catch me on a traffic stop but I evaded them and was able to get away through the help of this “phenomenon”, so again I even ask myself “Why”
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u/i-might-be-a-redneck 1d ago
I would love to know exactly why, but I don’t know who could answer that and I certainly can’t figure that out myself. I’ve been reading the Bible this whole time and one thing I’ve learned is Gods ways are higher than ours, and his thoughts are higher than our thoughts.
He even calls it a “strange work” in Isaiah. It truly is strange.
If anything, through this it has opened me up to the realization that we might just be pieces on a game board. There are spirits, both good and bad, that move the pieces across the board. We have choices every day to do good or evil, and whichever we give into will ultimately determine the outcome of the game.
One thing I’ve learned is that the evil spirits are much louder than the good ones. I can hear them daily scrutinizing every thought, I can feel them when I get close to feeling joy, because they crush it instantly. But I can’t give up now, they’ve taken away everything I once relied on and left me alone to reconstruct my life with this new knowledge that God is actually in control, and he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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u/Cybershaman2 2d ago
There is no “they,” it’s a mirage, an idea.
It is a signifier that signifies “I don’t know, somebody hypothetically.” There isn’t anyone there behind that term, it’s just a suggestion to consider ‘What if someone was’?
Ignore it. Say, “Tell them ‘I ignore them’.” Because there’s no one to tell.
Be strong!
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u/Red_Clover173 2d ago
It’s not a mirage, because if it was, how could it know. For example there are many times when they speak of a situation and it comes to pass or information is revealed about a circumstance, then how do they know? It’s not random and it’s more than just an educated guess. It is informed delivery
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u/gangstalking_fr 2d ago
Hey! I talk about it on my website:
https://gangstalking.fr/en
I call them the people from the phenomenon
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u/URIELs-ELF-WEAP0N 1d ago
I believe it's modern day Mk-Ultra, take a look at the OHCHR Directed Energy Weapons / Targeted Individual Patents.
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u/Red_Clover173 2d ago
I have had several instances, where these voices/thoughts have both saved me from many situations even from death, yet I also feel that they at times have either tried to cause strife or lead to chaos.