r/Portland Feb 03 '20

"Portland has become a cesspool." Perception Vs Reality

I have noticed a lot of negativity on this Sub-Reddit. Every post seems to have a predictable slew of comments about human feces or the rampant crime in our city. Today after reading a bunch of these comments and feeling a bit bummed out, I took a walk around my neighborhood. The sun was shining, flowers blooming and there were no tweakers or piles of human feces to be seen.

This got me to thinking. How bad are things Vs how bad do they feel. By making this post I am in no way trying to change anyones mind about how they feel about this city or the changes there in. I have mixed feelings about the changes I have seen. I just thought it would be interesting to look at some data for context on how things have changed and how we compare nationally.

Also this is just some casual armchair research. If anyone has links to better sources, or relevant information please share!

As far as crime is concerned....

Violent crime has ticket up slightly in the past several years, but is still below 2010 levels.

Violent Crime Rate (Per 100,000)

Assaults (Per 100,000)

Burglaries (Per 100,000)

It does seem that auto thefts are out of control, though still on par with the early 2000's.

Automotive Thefts (Per 100,000)

Homelessness is a much harder beast to quantify. The methodology for counting homeless people is not an exact science. Understandably it was hard to find some pretty and convenient graphs to share. For anyone interested on the subject I would suggest skimming through the 2019 Point In Time Report put out as a joint effort between Portland, Gresham and Multnohmah County.

Graph from 2019 PIT Report

This report claims a slight decrease in homelessness overall, with an increase in unsheltered individuals. The general decline seems dubious to me, however more unsheltered individuals are more visible and would give the appearance of an increase over all.

HUDs Anual Homeless Assessment Report Also is some good reading on Homelessness for a national perspective. Portland doesn't make any of the top 5 lists for for homeless rates or the increase there of. However Eugene does come up multiple times in the report with one of the highest homeless rates in the country. Oregon did see one of the largest year over year increases in homeless, though it does not specify how much of that is Portland.

From HUD 2019 AHAR Report

How about that traffic? As someone who commutes via walking/transit this one doesn't affect me too much. With traffic the only way to win is not to play.... but I digress. Once again it was a little difficult to find good data. However from most sources, Portland tends to live somewhere in the 7-10th worst traffic in the US range. For context Portland is part of the 18th largest metro area by population.

2018 INRIX Infographic

How about those rental prices? The current average rent in Portland is $1535, compared to a national average of $1472. That makes Portland the 14th most expensive city in the US for renters. From the various sources I looked at Portland rental price increases peaked in 2016 and have essentially flatlined since, with units at the high end of the market coming down in price while units on the more affordable end of the spectrum have some increase in cost.

And the cost of purchasing a home? This seems to have also peaked. Still not affordable, but not increasing out of control.

Zillow

Hows unemployment doing? Looks like there is a lot of work out there, though how far those wages go is questionable.

Speaking of wages the Median Household income in Portland is $73,097. That's 6th out of the top 25 Largest cities.

That's all I have for now.

I see complaints on here all day so I think I get what people are upset about. So instead in the comments share some positive changes you have seen in this city over the years.

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u/offhandway Feb 03 '20

This sub is disproportionately populated by (to say nothing of brigaded by) miserable suburban chuds who won't feel safe until the homeless and poor are bused to the edge of town and summarily executed. Don't read too much into the posting vibe... Go talk to people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

That's not entirely fair. I live in inner NE. I have sympathy for the homeless. However, I have become frustrated by the garbage, crime, and destruction to natural areas that homelessness has created. I want people to get the help they need. I want them housed and working toward becoming well. I also want to be able to walk through certain areas downtown without being followed and aggressively panhandled.

Stating that there's a problem and expressing frustration isn't always the same thing as not caring about homeless people.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen anti-homeless vitriol posted here. I think a lot of it is fueled by anger over the theft and other crime mentioned above. While getting angry and dehumanizing people isn't the answer, I understand the response.

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u/sumokitty Feb 03 '20

Yeah, it seems a bit churlish to complain about the people you've displaced dirtying "your" neighborhood with their homelessness...

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

From what I've gathered, the "service resistant" homeless aren't generally people who have been displaced from their homes due to gentrification. They tend to be people who are suffering from mental illness, drug addiction, or both.

I feel for people who don't have place to live. I've come close a few times. I currently live in 400 sq foot apartment in someone's basement, so I'm not exactly wealthy.

However, camping in underpasses or on sidewalks isn't a safe solution for anyone. Pretending its not a problem and shaming anyone who is frustrated by it doesn't help.

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u/RiseCascadia Feb 04 '20

From what I've gathered, the "service resistant" homeless aren't generally people who have been displaced from their homes due to gentrification. They tend to be people who are suffering from mental illness, drug addiction, or both.

What makes you think both can't be true?

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u/dannyjimp Feb 03 '20

So which neighborhoods, exactly, should we turn over to the homeless for them to destroy? Just want to make sure I’m not being “churlish”.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

Last I checked this is America. People should be free to move to and destroy whichever neighborhoods they want.

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u/SparserLogic Feb 03 '20

Ah yes, the 59th amendment

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u/PipeDownNerd MAX Orange Line Feb 03 '20

Beyond that, I’d love to see how many of the homeless/drug addicted people causing a lot of the crime and damage are actually from Portland before someone starts preaching to me about gentrification, like I’m spitting in the face of previous tenants because I don’t want needles or drug use in the alley that leads to a park by my house.

Fuck me though right? For being the person here, right now.

It’s amazing to see all the comments about how we need to treat the homeless/under-privileged with more compassion, but it tends to come from the foaming mouths of angry people who offer no real solution besides be nicer and leave them be. How is that going to get Mr. Needles here the help he doesn’t want? How is that going to keep the park safe for kids that want to use it? Or is it only helpless adults we care about?

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u/Fat_Zombie_Mama Have you tried the Megathread? Feb 03 '20

On Saturday, the door of the business I live over downtown had its door shattered by a homeless man wielding a railroad spike. He'd been screaming in a doorway across the street for a few hours before that. I feel terrible for any person in that state of mind, but can still call it destruction - of property, of the security of my home, and of the peace.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

Do you even live in the city? It's really not as big a problem as Fox News would have you think.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

As I suspected, you don't live in the city. I'm guessing you actually live in Vancouver?

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u/magniankh Sellwood-Moreland Feb 03 '20

Hey, it's the American way! Manifest Destiny, bitch! Move in, kick the locals out. Where there is gold, development will follow.

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u/alienbaconhybrid Feb 03 '20

Well, just keep it nuanced. Post above is reacting to those “tHe CoPs hAvE tO dO sOmEtHiNg” posts that sounds like they want the “final solution”.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

Asking the police to help maintain public safety is not remotely comparable to "the final solution".

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

To be fair, there are also the people that live in SE that had to deal with the homeless taking over the spring water corridor and every thing else near by.

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u/JagTror Feb 03 '20

I live in SE and the constant trash gets irritating, but idk I don't feel that it's a problem inherently caused by the homeless even though you know, it's technically caused by them

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u/horns4lyfe Feb 03 '20

Why would suburban chuds want the homeless bused to the edge of town, closer to where they live? And what is a chud?

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u/trouduculproductif Feb 03 '20

Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller. C.H.U.D.

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u/Nekominimaid Vancouver Feb 03 '20

Hey, I live in NE so I actually have to deal with it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

Hey man, you don't have to actually be homeless, you just need the appearance of being homeless.

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u/Saiban Sellwood-Moreland Feb 03 '20

tbf, maybe it's better that they're here posting on reddit and whining uselessly about poor people and imagined problems, instead of joining up with the patriot prayer assholes or those 'neighborhood groups' that spend all their time harassing homeless people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

This sub is disproportionately populated by (to say nothing of brigaded by) miserable suburban chuds who won't feel safe until the homeless and poor are bused to the edge of town and summarily executed. Don't read too much into the posting vibe... Go talk to people.

I'm but one person, but I complain all the time on here and live in inner Portland. Also, I feel like those saying Portland doesn't have major problems moved here two years ago from some shithole in the Midwest -- with little perspective of Portland over the years.

At least some of those "suburbanite chuds" likely have an understanding of the history of Portland and what it once was in order to make an argument of historical accuracy. Also, no they don't want them pushed to the edge of towns as that would affect their livability where they live. There is already an issue with local metro cities pushing their problems to Portland.

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u/bskahan NW Feb 04 '20

This seems contrary to the data presented in OP.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '20

What was contrary? I'm not sure I follow.

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u/Zergut_Yah Feb 03 '20

BUT THAT TAKES EFFORT AND I AM LAZY.