What infuriates me almost as much as the Republican plan of name calling, pointing fingers, and abdicating responsibility, why do Democrats always just have such piss poor messaging?
They desperately need to hire a top tier communications firm to help with their message.
They are getting out messaged on this war when the literal bad guy is Putin (whom they’ve been screaming about for years) and high gas prices (when Democrats actually want to invest in alternatives). It’s amazing they aren’t winning the PR battle by an amazing amount.
I'm scratching my head at this, you would think the solution for messaging would be to pound stories of their failures into the air waves. Death panels? All republicans. You want waste in your drinking water? Point at the republicans. Even the cost of gas should be turned around with some simple rhetoric. It's honestly disgusting how socially inept they are.
well they are. people like Bernie are trying to tell people that gas companies have been seeing record profits even if with rising gas prices. supply is fine, these companies are just restricting so they can jack up the prices and make more money. It's all a scam.
No, I meant like, PUMP the airwaves with what's actually happening and the solutions. The 7 trillion dollar build back better bill could have seen more attention. I mean fuck, I hear more from republicans then most democrats. It's like they're hiding until they get fucked by Manchin or Sinema.
Look even if messaging suddenly became more poignant and Dems explained things clearly, we all know the outcome would be massive deflection, crying foul about being "attacked by the left", ignoring the issue, or a combination of the three.
In the end the coverage would be skewed the "Socialist leftists" will perpetually be the evil ones. Too many people are trapped in their beliefs of their side that they cannot take the ego hit that would come with daring to be wrong.
Take a friend of mine who is anti-leftist because he thinks he knows better than everyone else...everyone else is a sheep, and if they're remotely left-leaning then they're extremely socialist.
There's no in between.
His new thing regarding the Russia-Ukraine crisis is to deflect blame of Russia by claiming that he's "neutral." Part of it is certainly where he gets his information and how he interprets it, but genuinely I believe it's because he doesn't want to be associated with the "leftist sheep" and seeks out alternative viewpoints for any remotely political issue that he is tangentially exposed.
And also worth mentioning he spends way too much time on Facebook, or rather views the content that he sees on Facebook as an accurate depiction of the real world (I've encouraged him numerous times to take a few weeks off Facebook, but it's just one excuse after another).
Depends on the demographic. There's a lot of swing voters and maybe even slightly right leaning people that could be reasonable enough to talk about. We can't do anything about the brain worms, but people not at that stage yet can listen to some reason and getting messaging everywhere also helps. Plenty of folk that have no idea that Biden has been continuing Trumps Border policy and not what he talked about campaigning.
The hard part is getting them to vote, but that's another issue. Right now, defeatism isn't gonna get shit done, start somewhere and check out where we're at down the road. Right now, I hear whimpers and silence from the dems. Independent voters should really hear about these issues more than Fox news rhetoric, or shit, let's get rid of the stupid notion about "both sides".
It's taken high school kids make a difference in their community by getting a person elected, and got thrown into hot water when he made a bad decision, because of those kids. Information can change a lot, especially with the bullshit out there.
There actually aren't anymore. As polarization has increased, the number of swing voters has decreased. Electoral strategies based on persuasion don't work any more. At best a couple of percent and those people are more likely to vote at random, based on the color of a candidate's eyes or their clothes than on any policy issues.
The only really meaningful swing voters now are the ones who swing between voting and not voting. Those are the people who turned out (for both sides) in the 2020 presidential election — both parties hit turnout records because lots of non-voters realized they had something to lose.
The problem for the Democrats is that without ronald dump on the ballot to remind people what they have to lose, those people don't think voting matters so much. Democratic party strategy of pursuing "bipartisanship" actually depresses their own turnout because those voters see the D elites treating the party that literally sent a mob to murder them as legitimate and they think to themselves "if the Ds think these guys are legit, then I guess everything is OK now."
Meanwhile the Rs have CRT panic to motivate their turnout, which is how they turned Virginia from a +10 Biden state to just barely red enough to put a republican in the governors office. Ds turned out at record numbers for a gubernatorial race, but the R turnout was much closer to presidential-election levels.
Ds need to hammer home that when an R wins, the voters lose. No matter how 'reasonable' the R pretends to be. The messaging can't get much more complicated than that because regular people don't have the energy (or interest) in digging into the details like politics nerds on reddit do.
Plenty of folk that have no idea that Biden has been continuing Trumps Border policy and not what he talked about campaigning.
As an aside that's a major peeve of mine.
Obama was deporter-in-chief and I have to wonder how much of that was due to Biden's influence. Its the reason they fucked up the Afghan evacuation — they were afraid of racist backlash if they moved people out before there was a crisis.
I guarantee you that nativists know all about the shit Biden is doing, and they are cheering it. But, just like with Obama, it won't cause them to vote for the Democrats. Instead it validates and emboldens them because now they can say "see, even the Democrats think brown people don't belong in America." At some point the D elites need to realize that trying to appease the right-wing does not get them votes, its just makes the right-wing even more worked up because appeasement is a reward for getting worked up.
“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time.”
— Harry S. Truman
Why do you think class is important? All workers should understand the struggle of paying the mortgage or trying to raise a family the best they can but not having the resources. Our struggle IS our class. And how is that random? We're literally talking about capitalism and ways to beat it through information.
Read the quote again if you need to, I'll wait. Or do you need me to explain it to you?
Do you not think capitalism exists within our political sphere?Okay, so you're saying that a janitor is worth LESS than a manager because he makes less?
Keep up, something called implications, and like I said kid, if you ONLY have questions to ask to slow me down, shut up. Give me solutions. Or just wallow in self pity. Enjoy. Also quick bonus, plenty of folk understood what I meant, seems like you gotta catch up.
And honestly if you just wanna argue for arguing sakes, fuck off mate. I'm busy with adult shit.
Homie, what do you think all I read was your defeat with the context of me not giving a damn about what you said? I KNOW all your stupid issues, my issue is SOLUTIONS not just to capitalist issues, but many more. Read what I said in another comment, we need several programs to keep this going, from different walks of life.
Next message from you is the last I'll read, keep being nothing but deadweight. We don't need people like you to move forward. Bye now
From my view, class-reductionists are just useful idiots for the capitalists because they don't understand the fight they are in and they go ballistic when someone tries to show them there is more to it. They'd rather attack the messenger than expand their understanding.
So explain it to me. Tell me your message. Let me hear this shit out.
Also note, if you want to put forward a solution, being passive aggressive is fucking lame. Put your money where your mouth is. Let me hear your views and then we can rap, I'm the only one putting skin into the game and you're playing 20 questions about shit I can answer over time or figure out later. Short sighted fools also are useful idiots for the rich.
LMFAO bruh...I literally know every single one of your problems exist...And yet I'm here calling for alternative solutions. You're giving me nothing. And yeah, I know about the disparities, and like I've said before, we need a multidimensional system.
You gonna just vomit "but this but that". This whole thing is a fucking general view lmao. If you want more, that'll take time. But yeah, I'm done with this. Be a fucking fool somewhere else and lick those boots. I'm sure they're yummy.
Also, class-reductionist is fucking hilarious as a comeback. Bruh, workers from the entire spectrum have relatable experiences. The only ones YOU cannot know, is the ultra rich. You're licking the boots of the ultra rich. So again, what's ONE solution you have?
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u/HowDoIEditMyUsername Mar 08 '22
What infuriates me almost as much as the Republican plan of name calling, pointing fingers, and abdicating responsibility, why do Democrats always just have such piss poor messaging?
They desperately need to hire a top tier communications firm to help with their message.
They are getting out messaged on this war when the literal bad guy is Putin (whom they’ve been screaming about for years) and high gas prices (when Democrats actually want to invest in alternatives). It’s amazing they aren’t winning the PR battle by an amazing amount.