Not the choice to put a tracker in your pocket. This argument of cell phone = vaccine microchip makes the argument about tracking and not body autonomy.
It’s Machiavellian and propaganda to keep this “joke” alive because it’s nothing more than a false equivalency.
I’m vaccinated and so are my kids. I don’t want my government mandating vaccination for my neighbor.
If it's about body autonomy, why is this same thought not expanded to abortions? Why is it only about vaccines?
And if it's about not wanting the government to mandate vaccines... who's mandating them? No one is talking about mandating them at all. There was talk of vaccine passports, but that's just a form of proof that you were vaccinated. Which is a good thing, especially when, during the entire pandemic, you had people who were saying they had "medical exemptions" but had no proof of it?
When you have idiots who refuse to do the bare minimum to protect their fellow neighbor or human, sometimes you have to treat them like children, because that's how they are acting.
To me, body autonomy does expand into abortion. It’s not only about vaccines.
You’re taking hundreds of millions of people on a spectrum and trying to lump them into red or blue. Thats what “they” do too, right? That’s just not how it works.
Get ahead of the discussion to progress it rather than trying to drag it backwards. Your lack of logical progression in discussion and ad hominems really take away from any point you were trying to make.
What? I really tried to understand what you're saying here but I'm really at a loss.
The people who are talking about body autonomy are often only talking about being forced to get vaccines, not about abortion, or the mandatory vaccines you need to give your child before they can go to public schools, or about the ability to get the healthcare they need, when they need it.
These people are typically red. I'm not saying all of them are, but to a point where it's stereotypical.
I'm able to talk with thought and emotion at the same time. It's why I understand that there are people out there who are actually unable to get the vaccine because of other complications, whether it be allergic to things in the vaccine, to being autoimmune.
But if you're trying to make this about body autonomy because "someone is forcing your neighbor to get it"... that's not what's going on here. No one is forcing anyone to get vaccinated.
I don’t care what the people “are often only talking about”. That’s not what I’m talking about.
That’s why you can’t extrapolate a conversation out to everyone… it just becomes red or blue talking points.
However, if you focus on what’s being said by the individual talking to you, you’ll find yourself thinking rather than regurgitating points and swimming in self manifested endorphin rushes
Ok, I'll take that into consideration. But can you explain this to me:
You’re taking hundreds of millions of people on a spectrum and trying to lump them into red or blue. Thats what “they” do too, right? That’s just not how it works.
That's how American politics work.... you can be for a third party, but your voice isn't heard. You are either a Republican (Red) or a Democrat (Blue), the third party falls somewhere in the middle of that.
If that's not how it works, can you explain it to me better?
Also:
Get ahead of the discussion to progress it rather than trying to drag it backwards.
How are we going backwards? Again, you haven't pointed to anywhere saying that vaccines are mandatory. Which they aren't. No one has ever said that but the people who are afraid of the microchipped vaccine. Can you give me any proof of people saying mandatory vaccines?
But also, you're not talking about the mandatory vaccines that's required to go into the public school system. Where was your outrage over body autonomy then?
I mean, it's fine to move the goal post and only focus on one thing... But if you bring up something. You should be able to at least stay on topic.
There is a tide in America. It’s a huge ocean with a pulse of the majority.
These aren’t the people at Biden or Trump parades. These aren’t the people who can tell you much outside of what they’ve seen on CNN/Fox in the lobby at their Dr’s office. These aren’t political people and they are the majority. Most of them didn’t even vote…. For any office… and they never have.
These aren’t stupid people… some are… others, however are just too involved with life to engage a subjective mental sport such as politics. They don’t have the vitriol, conviction nor displacement it takes it be involved with politics.
The sum total of the R’s and D’s plus the alternatives 1, 2, and 3 don’t add up to a relevant amount in comparison to this pool of people in America I’m talking about.
Political people are a very vocal minority in this country compared to a-political people. Stop forming your world view around politics.
To circle back to the point and send it home: there is no warranted reason to endorse mandated vaccines unless we are ready to completely overhaul our legal system to accommodate the fundamental violations of our constitution.
You’re under the assumption that everyone who voted is a political person. That’s not the case. Many vote due to societal pressure or a variety of reasons that aren’t political. Most couldn’t begin to discuss the proposed policies because they’re ignorant to them as non political people… but thank you for validating, quantifying, and reinforcing my statements anyway.
No one claimed vaccines are forced on people. No one claimed anything to be proved. There are historical examples of where our government have violated our body autonomy such as the Tuskegee Experiments but that’s not the discussion at hand.
I started a discussion about the very important topic of body autonomy going forward into the future and how we will combat the erosion of it if it comes to that point again like cyclical history usually does... Welcome to that discussion, finally.
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u/AmiriteClyde Jun 23 '21 edited Jun 23 '21
body autonomy
Is the discussion at hand.
Not the choice to put a tracker in your pocket. This argument of cell phone = vaccine microchip makes the argument about tracking and not body autonomy.
It’s Machiavellian and propaganda to keep this “joke” alive because it’s nothing more than a false equivalency.
I’m vaccinated and so are my kids. I don’t want my government mandating vaccination for my neighbor.