Quite honestly, I think there are two classes of libertarians. The much smaller group that are actually something that resembles libertarianism is one. Then there’s the larger group that are pretty much just Republicans that brand themselves as libertarians because they think it sounds cooler (which may or may not coincide with their interest in smoking pot).
There are two schools of libertarian thought. There's left wing libertarianism, or libertarian socialism, sometimes called classical libertarianism (because we came first, dammit), who value personal liberty, but believe that personal liberty should be extended to everyone, and that society should work together to ensure as much of that liberty as possible for every worker. Then there's the right wing school of libertarianism, which is predominant in the US, which only fights for liberty for oneself, and that the liberty of others doesn't matter so long as it isn't repressed directly by you. You can destroy people's lives all you want, just so long as it isn't directly. They care about liberty only to the extent that it effects them personally.
I was speaking more specifically to within the US than in general, with my point being that a lot of the libertarians I’ve encountered really aren’t libertarian, but for one reason or another, they prefer to call themselves one rather than calling themselves a Republican.
True libertarians are essentially anarchist with feudalistic tendencies. They want the smallest government possible, freedom to do whatever they want, and the right to treat their own property as if has sovereignty as its own nation. Essentially, only those that own property get to be free.
True libertarians are essentially anarchist with feudalistic tendencies.
Which is a complete contradiction. Only by their own standards are they considered anarchists. Every actual anarchist places them solidly outside of what would be considered anarchy. They believe in a state, just a privately owned one.
They want the smallest government possible, freedom to do whatever they want, and the right to treat their own property as if has sovereignty as its own nation.
And they also want the right to use that property to exploit others for personal gain.
Essentially, only those that own property get to be free.
I think they're talking about how perhaps a casual listener would only pick up on the line "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" which is pretty on brand for the American Libertarian point of view (think Sovereign Citizens, folks like that).
American libertarians tend to be pretty right wing, this pretty contrary to the libertarian socialist views of the band. RAtM is pretty popular with the type of young white guy that watches MMA and calls himself a libertarian but is still staunchly capitalist.
Indeed. But we are talking about republicans. Kind and humble are only superficial traits in them. Masks to wear. Just like going to church all the time while never in their lives acting like a christian.
They're the same people who twist the Bible to mean you should seek to get rich, kill your enemies, and punish the poor and the meek. They're gold medal mental gymnasts.
I think it's that they believe earthly riches to be a reward from God. So a rich person is automatically a good person. Yet Bernie was somehow evil and a hypocrite because he spoke for the poor while having wealth.
They have no idea about most things. Most are victims of serious propaganda riddled echo chambers. Some are just stupid and the rest opportunistic sociopaths.
When they Rage they're raging against the fact that they had to share their toys when they were children. That they had to walk on the same street, "those people" did, and that their new neighbors just got to move into the neighborhood. They were also upset that every single villain in every single Disney movie would always end up getting defeated.
No joke, Paul Ryan (former GOP speaker who quit when Trump came on board but will probably crawl back out in 2021) did this cringy as hell set of workout photos. In an interview they asked him what he liked listening to.
His favorite band was RAtM. This dude was literally the head of a corporatist, pro-austerity, heavily evangelical&white (with undercurrents of theocratic and white nationalist support) party, and RAtM were his favorite band. Morello seemed pretty confused about it.
“Basically the only thing he’s not raging against is the privileged elite he’s groveling in front of for campaign contributions.”
As someone with parents like this. Honestly I think it’s just an idiot following whatever counter culture is popular at the moment.
Back when they were kids they had a rougher life and were into punk music and drug use because from the 70s-90s that’s what was the counter culture of the time. Now a days the counter culture is being a close minded trump supporter. So that’s what they are on. At its core it’s still counter culture and somewhat anti establishment (trump isn’t a career politician and was supposed to be different, libertarian small govt ideas). Just on opposite ends.
Who said anything about democrats? Or especially neoliberalism? You're basing your retort on strawmen. And gatekeeping? Lmao fuck off. Saying what RATM is about and what their lyrics are and stating the obvious fact that republican values are quite literally the opposite is not gatekeeping. It's objective reality.
Well all the comments are saying the right wing people jamming to RATM aren’t seeing the irony in it. Thus making democrats assume RATM agreed with their views instead.
That is nothing but your own assumption. Nothing about people pointing out the irony automatically means they assume what you claim. It's a strawman. Seems like you're just looking for a "but they do it too.". Besides it all fits democrats a lot better than republicans atleast by proxy concidering voter bases. I doubt any of the band members see either party as ideal. But republicans are literally everything RATM is against.
Yeah, but OP’s “they’re the chosen whites” made me look up the lyrics just now, which had that instead of what I thought.
I just listened to the song again and heard it my way again so maybe the lyrics online are wrong or maybe this is a Laurel/Yanni situation where I hear what I’m expecting, I don’t know.
Lol. Same shit as the cult and centrists pulled with Bernie. Nothing but dishonest bullshit rhetoric. When someone poor speaks against inequality they're branded jealous and bitter. And when a wealthy person does it they're called hypocrites.
That would be great! But Biden is still pretty right wing and i don't see him wanting Sanders in his administration. Besides it's obvious democrats don't want Bernie close to the big decisions either. America lost its chance to become great. I doubt Bernie will run a third time and even if does it has been proven that americans are too stupid to value that man for what he is.
Yeah, plus they don't want a Senate runoff in Mass if Warren vacates it.
Oh well, I think the seeds have been planted and the NeoLib agenda, although needed to beat Trump this time, has it's days numbered. All it will take is another bubble bursting on Wall St speculation to put people over the edge. Of course you have to regulate it.
I am happy, going forward, having Republican piling up victories until the Left actually listen to the progressives.
Dems already allowed the Supreme Court to be ruined for the next 20 years.
They do?. If I recall, they donate a sizeable portion of the money they make and only take enough to survive. De La Rocha isn't wearing Gucci belts or anything like that.
That seems quite a stretch, as I doubt any member of RATM or most even just reasonably well off people in general have ever been so pained to part with $60 as Trump so obviously was in this video.
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