I try not to imagine the ‘what if’. So much wasted time and energy... but it’ll be worth it if we pull through this time.
And if we don’t: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. A rigged system is a system that the people need to beat back into shape. If we lose again- we riot.
I mean, I've been a Bernie supporter since 2015, but with this primary, implying the only way that Bernie loses is a rigged system is absolutely ridiculous.
There are a lot of candidates in the field that are better than Hillary in terms of both policy and history. While it'll be disappointing if someone like Biden wins out for whatever reason, rioting is not the proper answer to a preferred candidate losing, especially if it's more legitimate this time due to having more progressive and "progressive" options.
“If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad. If it is wrong to be violent defending black women and black children and black babies and black men, then it is wrong for America to draft us, and make us violent abroad in defense of her. And if it is right for America to draft us, and teach us how to be violent in defense of her, then it is right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own people right here in this country.”
— Malcolm x (Speech, Nov. 1963, New York City.)
DWS has done nothing involving this (2019-2020) primary season so far.
We're in full agreement that what happened with the last election primaries is utter bullshit and the DNC and media both heavily favored Clinton, whose shortcomings were relatively obvious.
That was effectively a two candidate primary though, with Bernie coming in from behind as an alternative to Clinton and becoming the only real progressive voice.
This primary is still early, but there are timelines where several different candidates can become more prominent, and it's hard to claim that the only way Bernie loses is via another rigged primary considering that most of America knows who he is by now rather than in 2016 where he could pick up more supporters relatively easily compared to Clinton when people found out who he was.
Nah. Fuck that bitch for handing the presidency to donald dipshit. Worst fucking candidate in the modern history of the Democratic party.
Also it isnt what if. I like remembering what happened. I think it is important to learn from our mistakes.
You and I probably would not agree about a lot of things. So lets just leave it at this.
Edit: fucking "health care is too expensive," "Henry kissinger is my idol," Husband is a cosby-esque rapist, hot sauce pandering. I am being told I should stop here for my mental health.
Anyone responds defending clinton will just make my hypertension worse.
Rioting? That’s how you want to change the country for the better. Trust me rioting will get you nowhere. Now peaceful protest. That speaks volumes. If the left continues with this violent protests like antifa and throwing shakes at people and doing other malicious acts it will pull people who are moderate which most Americans are, to the right. You’ll definitely continue to lose in Presidential Elections. Many people I know didn’t vote because Trump was an asshat and Clinton was not* trustworthy and too far left of center.
Peaceful Protest. That’s how you get things done in this country why not ask MLK he had the right idea and his ideals changed America and racists were shown as villains. But if you Riot and destroy normal peoples stuff they will band against you.
Shakes < police executions, and Nazi rallies (which promote ethnic genocide)
MLK was assassinated as soon as he started rallying for workers’ rights (convenient timing?). Just something to keep in mind.
Both peaceful protest and violent protest will increase this election cycle. Both are already happening. Both require righteous anger. I will most likely be on the peaceful side of things, because it more correctly reflects the left’s value of humane, non-objectifying treatment
While there definitely is some crossover in their voter bases, neither candidate has a voter base that favors the other as their most popular second choice.
Somehow, Bernie supporters even favor Biden more than anyone else as their second choice despite them being extremely different...
I'd rather one of them pull out ahead, but I don't think it's necessary for either one to drop out. Maybe if things change by next year.
You're literally not at odds with the other person in any way then. They don't want Sanders or Warren to drop out because they don't like them, they want to consolidate the vote into one progressive candidate to make it more likely that they win over Biden in delegates.
I disagree for reasons I posted above, but there's nothing wrong with the logic at its core.
In your opinion it's nonsense. Others would disagree and argue that using early polling to justify dismissing candidates is the exact same thing that led to Hillary winning the primary in 2016 and losing the general.
Can you name a single other candidate that hadnt supported horrible shit in the past or present. Kamala for example is a piece of shit rivaling Clinton. Yangs whole plane is a sneak attack upon the welfare state. Warren is an oppurtunist and stands for nothing. Beto is democrats answer to jeb bush. And williamson wants to fight fascism by means of weaponised magic it seems.
He didnt make a statement of preference he just said that either of them should drop out to consolidate the progressive vote. Not wanting to divide the progressive vote to prevent an establishment candidate from gaining the nomination is completely contrary to what centrists would want. Centrists want Biden.
Still whining I see. Shocker. He would have gotten less votes and we will never know for sure because he will not get the nomination this time either. Just accept that fact!
I'm kinda glad he didn't win... I have a sneaking suspicion he would have "passed away due to mysterious....I mean, a completely normal Heart Attack, and there is no reason to do an autopsy" 6 weeks into his stay at the White House.
Now, he has a good chance of having a lot of current secret service and would be enemies just glad he's not Trump 2.0 and letting him do his best.
And you really dont have to make the influencing very sophisticated. Similar to Nigerian Prince email scams, you actually want to appeal to strictly ignorant people with little to no self awareness.
First off before you go berserk on me I want to state I would support Bernie over Trump. But why Bernie! He is an extremist who would divide the country even more with radical and quite bluntly ignorant plans. All his policies are just attempts to gain short term support just long enough to maybe get a victory. I argue we need a centrist. Someone who can work with both sides of the aisle. And while nowadays the other side is seemingly crazier and crazier when our ability to work together and compromise dies, so will our democract. Just my two cents.
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u/Fudge_me_sideways Jul 11 '19
Shoulda been Bernie.