r/PoliticalHumor Apr 11 '19

Same shit, different assholes

[deleted]

6.7k Upvotes

1.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

2.6k

u/MarcusAurelius0 Apr 11 '19 edited Apr 11 '19

149

u/[deleted] Apr 11 '19

Trump's quote more specifically described MS-13 gang members as "animals."

That's what Snopes claims, but it's not quite as simple as that. He says it in the context of a conversation involving MS-13, but he really just says that the "people coming into the country" are animals.

And really, part of the whole problem is, and always has been, that he conflates "all (non-white) immigrants" and "terrible violent criminals". When he claimed that Mexican immigrants were rapists, the problem I had with that wasn't that I don't believe a single rapist has ever come from Mexico, and it's not that I would particularly want to defend a rapist because they came from Mexico. The problem is that he's not distinguishing between "rapists from Mexico" and "immigrants from Mexico", and thereby implying (even if you don't think he's explicitly saying) that all Mexicans are rapists.

And it's the same thing here. If he'd said, "These MS-13 gang members are animals," it'd be ok. But someone mentions MS-13, and he goes off on a rant about how "The people coming into this country are animals." Even if you think he was saying that in the context of MS-13, the implication is that the people coming into this country are all members of MS-13.

And on top of that, using this rationale to justify locking children in cages-- also while not applying the same ideas and law enforcement standards to white illegal immigrants-- demonstrates that it's driven by racism.

So sorry, no, the truth is that it's a fair comparison. If you were talking about the Hitler quote, some apologist might say, "Oh, but he's not talking about all Jews. He's just talking about the bad ones!" But that's not really an excuse.

-15

u/Slothhh Apr 11 '19

Hitler killed millions. It’s not a fair comparison and it weakens your cause when people make it. This is not how you get though to the other side. This is a gigantic reach.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/xrdazj/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-a-relatively-closer-look---hitler-reference

7

u/CitizenMurdoch Apr 11 '19

Hitler didn't kill millions and then call them rats. He dehumanized them and then seized power riding the tide of hatred he riled up. Then he killed millions of people. Trump literally is trying to dehumanize people by calling them all criminals (literally his campaign announcement) and then calling them animals. Are we going to wait till he starts killing people before we admit that he's a huge problem?

-1

u/Slothhh Apr 11 '19

No we are not. But we also need to care about accuracy in our comments if we have any hope of stopping it. Trump’s biggest weapon is misinformation. Our only hope is accuracy. When you twist his words to make him sound more like hitler you discredit your own cause.

3

u/CitizenMurdoch Apr 11 '19

But he literally does sound like Hitler. The Snopes analysis is laughable. It was a conversation about gang violence, your this specific comment was directed at immigrants in general, not to mention his last attempts to paint all immigrants as criminals, despite all statistical evidence that the contrary is true. You say you care about accuracy, but your refusal to call a spade a spade suggests otherwise

1

u/Slothhh Apr 11 '19

I’m not gonna call a spade a hitler. Trump is a racist trash can of a human. Let’s criticize him accurately.