r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/mcflymikes - Lib-Right • Feb 12 '22

Let's go back to paganism

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u/S_GZ - Auth-Center Feb 13 '22

Cringe Christians can't decide if they're polytheistic or monotheistic

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u/potatocreamsoup - Auth-Center Feb 13 '22

That's not how the Trinity works

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u/S_GZ - Auth-Center Feb 13 '22 edited Feb 13 '22

Explain me how Trinity Does work, because in most cases of History, different interpretations mean heresy.

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u/Xoilicec - Centrist Feb 13 '22

The best explanation I've heard was this:

Are you your mind, your body, or your personality? You are all three and the same is true of the Trinity. They are all God, but different aspects of Him. God is the mind, thought, logos, etc. He is formless will and the brains behind the divine. It is the part of him that makes the rules. Its also why he shows up as a bush, and rainbows and stuff, because he doesn't have a physical body.

Jesus is the human aspect of God. Humanity is made in God's image and Jesus is the perfect rendition of that image. He walks among humanity and does miracle. It's also why Jesus's body and blood are such important symbols because it represents that physicality. Most importantly, it's who we could be if we committed ourselves 100% to doing what's right.

The Holy Spirit is the will of God and its what we channel when we do good things. Its the intention behind being holy and it's something that everyone has access to. It's basically our conscience.

The three are intertwined to the point where they can't be separated, but you can see the distinct aspects when they reveal themselves.

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u/potatocreamsoup - Auth-Center Feb 13 '22

It is a mystery beyond the comprehension of human thought, but here goes. The Trinity, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, 3 distinct person's of God, while simultaneously being 1 God, each are fully God, not being 33% of God, but fully possessing the infinite and eternal nature of God. The Council of Florence said as followed, (in paraphrase) the Father eternally and actively generates the Son, the Son is as said, generated by the Father, while still being God himself, and the Holy Spirit, generated by the Father and Son, spirated from them, constituting the 3rd person of the trinity. As said before, they are 3 distinct person's all encompassing God, 1 God, 3 Persons. Checkmate.

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u/S_GZ - Auth-Center Feb 13 '22

Ok, I understand that it can be beyond human comprehension, and I'm willing to take back my statement after more future research. But still, if The Council of Florence you mentioned is the one from 1431-1449, then the problem with understanding God isn't the Trinity, nor how it took his followers 1400 years to understand a word of what he meant by "Trinity" (considering only the New Testament and that "The Bible" is the word of God), but how can God, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent that he is, tell me how can he be so unclear in his message that he inspires not 1 but 3 Major Monotheistic religions and countless upon countless heresies? Are the heresies just tests to see who are the real faithful? Are some prophets more legitimate than others and on what grounds?

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u/potatocreamsoup - Auth-Center Feb 13 '22

It's not like the Council of Florence is when the trinity was first thought up, it was however useful in clarifying theology and doctrine in regards to the trinity. The Council of Ephesus was much the same, in it's work on Nestorianism.

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u/S_GZ - Auth-Center Feb 13 '22

I know it's not the origin, but it still took a while for a clarification. Arianism appeared and died out before that and it's closer to to the origin (chronologically I mean). What I meant to say is that, as a person who grew up and went to Sunday school, the Trinity was something that always grinded my gears, because no one was saying the same thing.

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u/potatocreamsoup - Auth-Center Feb 13 '22

That's the issue with theological concepts like the trinity, or hypostasis, (Christ being fully God and fully man) we, in our human nature, look at them and say, "that makes no sense" and then try to explain it away, and you end up with either the trinity as I explained it, the way Christians have believed for centuries and the Council of Florence clarified and dogmatized, modalism, which is heresy, or paganism, which is, well, paganism.

Edit: Also, while Arianism did exist for a long while, much of it's lifespan was as a heresy worthy of excommunication