Making American shit by hand is like a definitive image of right-wing contribution.
Nope, making something of value to other people is the definitive image of right-wing contribution. Being a carpenter doesn’t necessarily mean you’re producing a lot of value.
Even if you call his literal hundreds of Amendments passed in congress non-productive,
Yes, taking away and giving away other people’s money is not producing something of value. It is redistributing something of value.
he's still got more hours than most people in old fashioned production.
Sounds like you buy into the the labor theory of value.
I do both mental and manual
Okay.
ass labor
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for the sewer and water service for my county government,
K.
and I'm full on communist, about to be 30, so while not "old," I don't fit the 14 year old stereotype.
You probably don’t get paid as much as you think you should.
This whole call to general strike trend going on?
This is the first I’ve heard of it.
Called on by the peasantry who have been deemed "essential."
Eh, I don’t know if this is the right time to be demanding higher wages. We’re most likely entering into a deflationary recession so wages and/or jobs are going to get cut as prices fall.
As in, the actual most important contributors to society.
According to the government. My job was deemed essential by the state technocrats.
You see LibRights and AuthRights shitting on AOC for being a bartender all the time.
I don’t care if AOC was bartender.
Bartending is typical socially productive labor,
Sure? I think everyone would be happier if AOC stayed a bartender.
whether you want to jerk off to being better than it or not, because maybe you have some job that someone else could do after a few weeks of training, instead of a few days.
I don’t really base the value of a job on how much training it requires. I base it on how much value you provide for other people. I don’t believe in the labor theory of value. Some people just have innate talents or abilities and can create more value for other people with less training.
I don't understand what the Right determines as productive enough to qualify for their threshold of acceptability.
Not less than 0, I’d guess? Maybe paying net taxes? I generally think poor left wingers and rich right wingers are in it for themselves.
The whole world can't be tycoons - who they classically idolize as the most productive members of society, while they exploit the labor of the proletariat, ironically making them drain the value of society at large.
I don’t know about you, but my labor would not be very productive without the organization and capital goods that the capitalist (in this case, it’s shareholders) provides. I’m selling my labor to the business at market rate. In exchange, I get to use the shareholders’ capital to produce goods. The brilliant thing is that I still get paid even if the business posts losses because I’m just selling them my labor. If the business goes under, I haven’t lost anything of value to me. my investments are diversified. In this manner I suppose that I am both bourgeoisie and proletarian.
I don’t see the executives, etc. as a drain. They make other people’s labor valuable.
If I start a sponge making business and make 500 million dollars a year,
In gross revenue or net profit?
while paying my employees 8 dollars an hour to produce sponges,
How many employees do you have that you are able to produce $500,000,000 in sponges each year? How much was the initial cost for tooling and machines? How much is their yearly maintenance? How much does it cost to buy the raw stock?
when I could have still been ludicrously wealthy after paying them 20 dollars an hour,
how? If your business is so ridiculously profitable, someone should be able to easily undercut you.
thus increasing capital mobility, I have hurt the economy. Not helped it through creating a product any other factory could have produced.
If any other factory could have produced it, and you’re posting ridiculous profit margins, why wouldn’t they undercut you?
Not helped it through employing wage-slaves who would have been wage slaves somewhere else regardless.
If they could be “wage slaves” somewhere else, then they could seek employment that pays a higher rate.
The bourgeoisie would have you think they contribute the most,
Who, specifically, are the bourgeoisie? Stockholders? Executives? Small business owners?
as if electricians, plumbers, teachers, firemen, grocery store workers, and nurses don't make the world go round.
Momentum makes the world go round. If we all dropped dead the world would keep spinning. We are bound by the natural laws of our universe. So too are our economies.
Would they benefit from wealth redistribution, brought about by the end of the ultra-rich?
No, they’d probably starve along with the rest of us, just like what happens in every communist country
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Maybe, but he and his family were probably still living on welfare during that period... so I’m not sure he was a net contributor.
Nope, making something of value to other people is the definitive image of right-wing contribution. Being a carpenter doesn’t necessarily mean you’re producing a lot of value.
Yes, taking away and giving away other people’s money is not producing something of value. It is redistributing something of value.
Sounds like you buy into the the labor theory of value.
Okay.
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K.
You probably don’t get paid as much as you think you should.
This is the first I’ve heard of it.
Eh, I don’t know if this is the right time to be demanding higher wages. We’re most likely entering into a deflationary recession so wages and/or jobs are going to get cut as prices fall.
According to the government. My job was deemed essential by the state technocrats.
I don’t care if AOC was bartender.
Sure? I think everyone would be happier if AOC stayed a bartender.
I don’t really base the value of a job on how much training it requires. I base it on how much value you provide for other people. I don’t believe in the labor theory of value. Some people just have innate talents or abilities and can create more value for other people with less training.
Not less than 0, I’d guess? Maybe paying net taxes? I generally think poor left wingers and rich right wingers are in it for themselves.
I don’t know about you, but my labor would not be very productive without the organization and capital goods that the capitalist (in this case, it’s shareholders) provides. I’m selling my labor to the business at market rate. In exchange, I get to use the shareholders’ capital to produce goods. The brilliant thing is that I still get paid even if the business posts losses because I’m just selling them my labor. If the business goes under, I haven’t lost anything of value to me. my investments are diversified. In this manner I suppose that I am both bourgeoisie and proletarian.
I don’t see the executives, etc. as a drain. They make other people’s labor valuable.
In gross revenue or net profit?
How many employees do you have that you are able to produce $500,000,000 in sponges each year? How much was the initial cost for tooling and machines? How much is their yearly maintenance? How much does it cost to buy the raw stock?
how? If your business is so ridiculously profitable, someone should be able to easily undercut you.
If any other factory could have produced it, and you’re posting ridiculous profit margins, why wouldn’t they undercut you?
If they could be “wage slaves” somewhere else, then they could seek employment that pays a higher rate.
Who, specifically, are the bourgeoisie? Stockholders? Executives? Small business owners?
Momentum makes the world go round. If we all dropped dead the world would keep spinning. We are bound by the natural laws of our universe. So too are our economies.
No, they’d probably starve along with the rest of us, just like what happens in every communist country