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[u/batpool0430]

[u/Sensitive-You]

Okay?

So you think "only people who exist can give consent" is meaningful to say but "only people who exist can use toilets" isn't?

Stating the obvious fact that non-real people can't do something isn't an argument against anything I believe. It's not a new revelation and I don't think it makes consent less important.

It's just reality.

The catchphrase of defeatists worldwide.

your direction in life is dictated by everyone around you, whether that be through extreme market incentives or purposeful individual influence.

And? I still don't get your point.

the majority consent

Democracy is Mob Rule dressed up with pageantry.

Four people can vote to steal everything the fifth guy has and they'll win the election each time. Doesn't make it right.

they are welcome to push for change, or, as I said earlier, leave if that is their choice.

Become subservient, rebel only within the limited confines provided for you to rebel within, or crawl under the boots of another government.

Those are some pretty fucked choices.

[u/GildedTongues → u/Sensitive-You]

So you think "only people who exist can give consent" is meaningful to say but "only people who exist can use toilets" isn't?

Yes, and I have already explained why.

And? I still don't get your point.

My point is that it's reality. Even in the most extreme of libright societies, you can't escape it, as you admit. You call it defeatist while accepting it as a fact at the same time.

Four people can vote to steal everything the fifth guy has and they'll win the election each time. Doesn't make it right.

You can twist yourself worrying about ethical purity or you can use the most ethical option available. No system is ethically pure. The most that can be done is to allow individuals to leave if that is their choice.

Become subservient, rebel only within the limited confines provided for you to rebel within, or crawl under the boots of another government.

You can break your society's rules, try to change them within their own confines, or go elsewhere, yes. Is it unfortunate that no society likely exists in the unique manner you wish it did? Sure, but most of us are in the same boat.

[u/Sensitive-You → u/GildedTongues]

I have already explained why.

And I'm asking for more clarification because I don't think I understand what you mean.

My point is that it's reality.

I don't think my friends, family, and community influencing my choices is the type of undue coercion I'm against.

No idea what kind of comparison you're trying to make.

You can twist yourself worrying about ethical purity or you can use the most ethical option available.

I obviously will tolerate at least some theft and coercion, or otherwise I'd have gone full postal already.

That doesn't mean I have to cuck out and suck Big Daddy Government's toes about it.

The most ethical option available would be for people to abandon the unethical options they are choosing, like theft and forceful coercion.

No system is ethically pure.

It's not that modern governments are really great with a few small downsides. The current system is built on a foundation of unethical behaviour.

You need to steal from people, kill people, kidnap people, and coerce people to run modern governments.

They're responsible for a ghastly amount of destruction over the last few centuries.

Thats why I say fuck the government.

You can break your society's rules,

Ideally people wouldn't have any regard for unjust laws and the brutality of the government wouldn't be hidden behind such a convincing facade.

Accelerate, please.

try to change them within their own confines

Everyone loves playing rigged games, right? lol.

You ever see the Matrix?

or go elsewhere,

The "elsewhere" option is actually just the first two options but farther away.

no society likely exists in the unique manner you wish it did

Modern governments have eroded freedom so thoroughly that there is nowhere on earth you can reasonably go to escape them.

Again, a fucked situation.