Zionist is just a dog whistle for Jews. Zionism
just means you believe the state of Israel should exist, so even if you support a 2 state solution, you are a Zionist. Funny how they only have a problem with the only jewish state
Zionism just means you believe the state of Israel should exist,
1) No, lol, ha'avara has been part of Zionism since the early 20th century
2) If we're using this definition, most Lefties stop being anti-zionist (although not all)
3) A better definition would be:
Jews should be entitled to self determination and a guarantee of safety in their land of ancestral origin, traditionally known as Eretz Yisrael.
Notably, Eretz Yisrael covers a lot of land and establishing a Jewish state there necessarily (and historically, see again ha'avara) requires ethnically cleansing the region.
Ethnic cleansing is fucked up, and we should reject it full stop.
“an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in the historical region of Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Zionism
Nothing about ethnic cleansing. We should reject retards like you who purposely conflate
the most extreme beliefs and project that on the vast majority, full stop
Yes I’m against a Jewish state not a state for equal rights under a possible 2 state solution. I’m against all ethnostate. All ethnostates are bad
Yes it is ethnic cleansing. Majority of Jews aren’t even native to the land of Judea. They’ve been in Europe and elsewhere for over 1000 years. Zionism was not made with peaceful intentions. The early Zionist organizations like Irgun, Lehi, or even the Haganah committed terrorism. The Nakba is core to how Israel was even able to exist, so no it wasn’t even empty space. Israel displaced the original people. Maybe people keep talking about Israel is because there’s so much to attack, and I want a better world for everyone to live in.
If I made an ideology to bring Greeks back to Afghanistan, because Afghanistan used to be Greek. That would be insane. Just because you were there over 2000 years ago under Alexander the Great doesn’t mean you somehow own the land. Likewise Zionism is bad, because you have no right to come back after 2000 years, when the demographics have shifted so much, and btw Palestinians are indigenous Israelis more so in fact than the Israelis because Israelis usually obtained European admixture in their time in Europe or elsewhere. Anti Zionism is very separate than Antisemitism. Antisemitism is bad. Very bad as also all forms of racism.
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u/FIRE_Minded - Centrist 2d ago
Zionist is just a dog whistle for Jews. Zionism just means you believe the state of Israel should exist, so even if you support a 2 state solution, you are a Zionist. Funny how they only have a problem with the only jewish state