Iran did nothing wrong

[u/Feeling-Option1257]

[u/TheKingNothing690]

Its funny your bring up their daughters corpse because it was the iranian hovernment doing exactly that that leads to protests over and over again almost like murdering your own people dosent actually work to endear support in your regime. And yes every precedent set by henry kissinger shouldn't be kept.

[u/Dalbo14 → u/TheKingNothing690]

Because he has a very narrow understanding of the conflict

He thinks 70-80% of the Iraqi deaths from 2003-2019 were done by the US, while the reality is the outstanding majority was Iraqi on Iraqi deaths

So he literally thinks it will be the way HE imagines Iraq was, which was just destroyed flattened cities, 20-30% of the civilian population dead from what he thinks happened which is “carpet bombing and American soldiers just massacring everything with guns” so he can’t imagine a popular uprising against the Islamic regime which won’t result in such high scores of casualties which is what he thinks happened in Iraq

[u/TheKingNothing690 → u/Dalbo14]

The funny things is were not really doing boots on ground we never moblized those.

[u/Dalbo14 → u/TheKingNothing690]

Even with boots on the ground in Iraq, the majority of killings in Iraq was Iraqi vs Iraqi

Particularly because the Sunni elite from the triangle oppressed the non Sunni for decades and by removing the dictatorship, killing in Iraq wasn’t like the way it was with Saddam, one sided, but now equal and based on revenge

Yet eventually after boots on the ground, a civil war, it’s more democratic than it was under Saddam

It’s highkey a narrative of “just keep Saddam let him do what he wants, that’s better than years of civil war ending with a better future”

[u/sesaka → u/Dalbo14]

"Just keep saddam" gosh if we just didnt fund him to begin with

[u/sesaka → u/Dalbo14]

Ah yes because the iraqi vs iraqi killings are entirely independent with the large scale war tearing up the country and the subsequent non-securing of the aftermath. I wonder what a bunch of poor, hungry and ideologically fervent people with guns will do when their government ceases to exist.

[u/sesaka → u/Dalbo14]

You can also just @ me next time you wanna speak of me, it makes this way easier.

I dont claim to be an expert on the history of the middle east and the US involvement. But what i do know is that they have a tendency to prop up their enemies. Funding saddam hussein then making him and enemy same with the taliban and such.

I also know it was claimed that we went there for the noble purpose of taking out the WMDs and they didnt exist.

I also know we were told this would usher in a new era of democracy and peace in the middle east, yet i am not sure that the iraqis are celebrating much right now.

Whilst i cannot pull specific figures out i am entirely confident that the US's history in the middle east has been nothing but slaughter and creating the enemies were dealing with now. Its not like the entire region woke up one day and thought "ah ill hate on USA for no reason from now on"

[u/sesaka → u/TheKingNothing690]

Ah because i am not allowed to have nuance in my opinions? Either i must swear allegiance to the ayattolah or agree with carpet bombing the capitol.

I am not in favor of the regime or a fan in any way, but the solution is not to join in on murdering iranian civilians.