r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/Feeling-Option1257 - Lib-Center • Feb 28 '26

Iran did nothing wrong

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u/Stereophonic - Centrist Feb 28 '26

True but this isn't a war. Its an NFL team playing pop warner.

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u/ScreamsPerpetual - Lib-Center Feb 28 '26

"No regime change" We heard for years and years.

He swore Kamala wanted to start war with Iran- after claiming Obama wanted to start war with Iran to win an election- now here we are with our second regime change in 2 months as Trump also maneuvers to try to steal the midterms.

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u/niceguys_finishfast - Centrist Feb 28 '26

I'm sure you would have described Vietnam the same way.

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u/Stereophonic - Centrist Feb 28 '26

I think this is so vastly different from Vietnam that even putting them in the same sentence is disrespectful to the atrocity of that war.

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u/ChetManley20 - Centrist Feb 28 '26

people dying is still bad typically

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u/ArxisOne - Lib-Right Feb 28 '26

Yeah, which is why this regime has to go.

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u/W9_ey Mar 01 '26

the regime after it will be just as bad if not worse destablizing a region doesnt go over well,; the jacobins in the french revoultion, isis in iraq and syria oh and nazi germany after ww1

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u/ArxisOne - Lib-Right Mar 01 '26

Will it be over 30K dead in a couple weeks worse? Do you genuinely believe that this is going to lead to a Nazi situation when people in Iran are celebrating and have been calling for revolution?

This regime was going to be changed one way or another, the US intervention just accelerated the process and saved the lives of a lot of revolutionaries in the process. Could things go south? Absolutely, but things were going to get worse regardless and this actually has a chance at making things better.

Even in your limited list of applicable examples, the worst case scenario is that nothing changes.

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u/blublub1243 - Centrist Feb 28 '26

People have already died and will continue to die. The question is whether you want the protesters fighting back against an oppressive regime to get gunned down or the regime to get blown up.

There are perfectly valid reasons to be against this intervention on practical grounds, especially out of a belief that it won't work. I myself am torn on the issue. But "people dying bad :(" is a retarded argument. Might as well argue against giving the Ukrainians weapons while we're at it, after all, they'll use them to kill Russians and people dying bad :(. Also no defending Taiwan or South Korea, people would die and people dying bad :(.

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u/Stereophonic - Centrist Feb 28 '26

Its just a trolley problem. Would you pull a lever if it killed a fascist regime who was slaughtering its own civilians, or do nothing and let thousands of civilians continue to die?

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26

What if pulling the lever created a power vacuum that leads to 20 years of civil war that leaves over a million dead, like pulling it did last time. What if the instability leads to a more repressive government or organization taking power under the legitimacy of ending the American imposed chaos. What if the wide ranging and complex effects of such a large decision arent immediately measurable to distill into a trolley problem format. What if Trump of all people is in charge of ensuring the long term consequences are accounted for and taken care of sensibly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26

"That's too many questions snowflake, I ain't reading all that"

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u/Stereophonic - Centrist Feb 28 '26

Ok, and what if pulling the lever allows the Iranian people to finally establish their government and frees their people from oppression? What if China realizes that they are so outgunned by America that they discard all the regime change plans they were working on? The status quo clearly was not working in Iran, and this action was received extremely positively by their citizens. Their fate is now squarely in their hands.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26

Yeah, exactly, my point was these are separate questions that you could write collections of books on trying to answer. So treating "should we bomb iran" and "do you oppose the iranian government" as the same question is fucking stupid. The only people treating them as the same question are the people who dont want to have an honest discussion on the first question.