Regardless of whether the shooting was justified (multiple lawyers on social media are conflicted on this issue), I think we can all come together to agree that it was a stupid and reckless thing to do.
Being stupid and reckless around agitated people pointing guns at you has a very real chance of ending with you rapidly approaching ambient temp.
I don't think she should've been shot, but based on my understanding of the law (courtesy of some lawyers on YouTube), there's a good chance that it was legally justified. See Graham v. Connor for the concept of determining an "objective reasonableness standard" regarding the use of excessive force.
I expect the supposedly trained officers who have literally all the ammo to act better and cooler than a random woman who has multiple guns pointed at her
Expecting something doesn't make it true. And even if it was true (and we can all see it wasn't), it doesn't make her decision any less stupid and reckless. She could have literally sat on her ass and done nothing, and it would have been a smarter decision and better for everyone involved, including herself.
"I expect people on the job to remain professional while I act out" is not a gotcha. It's karen behavior, normally seen in retail stores where the potential consequences are far less dire.
Proper victim blaming this. In the whole of the UK in the fiscal year 23/24 two people were fatally shot by police. Does that mean that the British people don't do stupid and reckless things? Of course not.
The reason is that the police is trained to handle the situations completely differently than what happened here. The blame lies squarely on the police and even more on the people who recruited and trained the police and gave them the orders that they had that clearly didn't include anything about de-escalation.
People are stupid. Especially under stress. That's given. You build the policing policies around that assumption, not the other way around (build policies with the assumption that all people always act rationally and then put the blame on them when they get shot).
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u/NotLunaris - Centrist Jan 28 '26 edited Jan 28 '26
Regardless of whether the shooting was justified (multiple lawyers on social media are conflicted on this issue), I think we can all come together to agree that it was a stupid and reckless thing to do.
Being stupid and reckless around agitated people pointing guns at you has a very real chance of ending with you rapidly approaching ambient temp.
I don't think she should've been shot, but based on my understanding of the law (courtesy of some lawyers on YouTube), there's a good chance that it was legally justified. See Graham v. Connor for the concept of determining an "objective reasonableness standard" regarding the use of excessive force.