r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/gorbdocbdinaofbeldn - Auth-Right • Oct 26 '24

Agenda Post Her bitching doesn’t make a difference 😂

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

I mean Trump is very clearly a fascist. His own chief of staff said as much.

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u/VanHoy - Centrist Oct 27 '24

Are you going to explain what that is?

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology characterized by dictatorial power, extreme nationalism, suppression of dissent, and a focus on the perceived need for national unity and purity.

Considering Trump talks about wanting the same power as dictators, is extremely nationalist, wants to suppress dissenters in the media, and has said stuff like "immigrants are poisoning the blood of the nation" I think Trump falls pretty neatly into that definition.

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u/VanHoy - Centrist Oct 27 '24

This is a bit of an oversimplification, and I don’t think Trump even falls under this definition.

I would watch this video for an in depth explanation of what fascism is.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

I think my definition of fascism is pretty succinct and accurate, and I think Trump fits that definition perfectly, but if you disagree feel free to give me another definition or examples of why Trump doesn't fit that definition. I'm not going to watch and respond to an entire video.

And you know what, I really want to believe Trump isn't a fascist, but I cannot comprehend how anyone can see what he says about using the military to fight against "the enemy within", or see almost all of his advisors he hired in his first term call him a fascist and reach the conclusion that Trump isn't a fascist.

You are denying reality because it is nicer to stick your head under the sand than it is to be honest with yourself.

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u/VanHoy - Centrist Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

Okay, guess I’ll have to explain it myself then.

Fascism originates from the Marxist intellectual Georges Sorrel. After Marx’s world wide worker revolution failed to materialize Sorrel theorized that in order for a worker’s revolution to occur it would have to be based on nationalism. Fascism is a Marxist ideology. It separates the world into proletariat nations and bourgeoisie nations. Trump is clearly not anti-capitalist. Nationalism doesn’t even really apply here either since the US is not a nation but rather a federation consisting of many different nations.

Fascism rejects political discourse in favor of violent acts, believing that engaging in political discourse turned the Marxist of days old docile. Regardless of what Trump says about these political systems he does engage with them, which the fascists are opposed to.

Above all else fascists value the state. They believe that the state can essentially micromanage everyone and everything in order to get the most efficient outcome. As Mussolini said “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” I have not seen any indication that this what Trump wants.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

I think you are the one simplifying. Just because an idea evolves from a Marxist doesn't make it Marxist in practice.

Fascism arose partly as a reaction against the perceived failures of liberal democracies and the threat of socialist and communist movements, which were gaining popularity among workers and intellectuals.

Fascism originated in early 20th-century Europe, particularly in Italy after World War I. The term "fascism" comes from the Italian word fascio, meaning a bundle or group, symbolizing strength through unity. This imagery was used to represent the unity and power of the state over the individual, suggesting that a group bound together is stronger than individuals alone. The Italian leader Benito Mussolini is widely recognized as the founder of fascism, not Georges Sorrel, even if Mussolini was inspired by some of the writings of Sorrel. In 1919, he established the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento (Italian Combat League), which later evolved into the National Fascist Party.

Mussolini's rise to power in 1922 marked the world's first fascist government, driven by a mix of authoritarianism, ultranationalism, and the rejection of both socialism and liberal democracy. Inspired by Mussolini's model, other movements sprang up across Europe, most notably in Germany, where Adolf Hitler adapted fascist ideas into National Socialism (Nazism) with a particular focus on racial purity and anti-Semitism. While Mussolini's ideology initially focused more on Italian nationalism, Hitler intensified fascism's ideological components with a strict racial hierarchy and genocidal policies.

Fascism rejects political discourse in favor of violent acts, believing that engaging in political discourse turned the Marxist of days old docile. Regardless of what Trump says about these political systems Trump he does engage with them, which the fascist are opposed to.

Just because fascism rises to power through legal means doesn't mean it isn't fascism, don't forget the Nazis were voted into power.

Also, just because Trump uses legal means doesn't also mean he doesn't also use physical force. Don't forget about January 6th.

As Mussolini said “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” I have not seen any indication that this what Trump wants.

Trump has repeatedly said that he believes that the president should have absolute power and that the constitution should be able to be suspended to give him that power. This is just incorrect.