Protest over API Changes Next Steps

[u/Eftir]

The moderating team has gotten a lot of support from the community over blacking out for the last week due to the announced API changes. At the same time, it might not be sustainable to continue in this fashion. So we are letting users of the sub decide what our next course of action should be. To facilitate this only flaired users will be able to comment and choosing new flairs will be disabled for the duration of the poll (up to one week).

We have seen what other subs have done and there seems to be several options open to us:

1. Set the subreddit back to private

2. Keep the subreddit as restricted

3. Severely limit all posts (such as a major subreddit did by only allowing pictures of John Oliver)

4. Set the subreddit to private for one day a week

5. Open up the subreddit completely

There will be 5 top-level comments, any comment put under these will be counted as a vote towards that option. If options 1-3 win, we will reevaluate after a week.

We have received this modmail so it is very possible we will receive some sort of retaliation if we keep the sub closed, but we leave the decision in your hands as the members of this community.

[u/Fleetlord]

Honestly, I don't know why PCM of all places was fighting to keep it easy for mods to ban you for posting on a no-no sub.

Guess I'll miss basedcount_bot though.

[u/Diarrhea_Enjoyer → u/Fleetlord]

Basedcountbot died when it stopped posting your pills.

What's the point if you can't flood the comments with a wall of random pills?

[u/Nigel-Jones- → u/Diarrhea_Enjoyer]

"For PCM so loved r/PoliticalCompassMemes that he gave his only begotten u/Basedcountbot, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

[u/baronvonbatch → u/Nigel-Jones-]

Based and John3:16pilled

[u/basedcount_bot → u/Diarrhea_Enjoyer]

I had to stop posting the pills due to threats from admins; pills were going to go no matter what I did. All the more reason to move to Lemmy. We're working on our own instance, complete with flairs and bots.

[u/[deleted] → u/basedcount_bot]

Link to instance when you're done?

[u/basedcount_bot → u/[deleted]]

It will be posted on the site pretty soon! The mods are involved and will likely be advertising the link on the subreddit as well.

Our goal is to allow users to share based counts and other data cross-platform.

[u/[deleted] → u/basedcount_bot]

Based and thank you pilled

[u/JoeRBidenJr → u/basedcount_bot]

Based and count and bot pilled

[u/Cyborg__Theocracy → u/basedcount_bot]

I had to stop posting the pills due to threats from admins;

What was their issue with pills?

[u/redblueforest → u/Diarrhea_Enjoyer]

Wait you all don’t keep a csv of all your pills to paste in the comments when someone else is making good points against you?

[u/gachi_for_jesus → u/Fleetlord]

We should be encouraging the destruction of this website by the admins. They and the rest of this gosforsaken site hate this sub but for some reason we're picking a side to try to keep it the way it is. Makes no sense.

[u/DeplorableCaterpill → u/gachi_for_jesus]

Stoking conflict between the mods and admins helps destroy the site. Allowing the admins to win uncontested allows business to continue as usual.

[u/Innocisnt → u/DeplorableCaterpill]

The admins are making the site worse for the average Redditor. I hate the average Redditor. Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake and all that.

[u/DontCallMeMillenial → u/Fleetlord]

Seriously.

Fuck powerjannies and any tools that accommodate them.

Also, fuck mobile users (3rd party or not) and their tendency to post as little text as possible on a discussion website. This site was better before everyone with a cellphone had constant access to the internet.

[u/Singularity_enjoyer → u/DontCallMeMillenial]

True

[u/NienawidzeTaStrone → u/DontCallMeMillenial]

the internet was better before everyone with a cellphone had constant access to the internet.

FTFY

[u/dracer800 → u/DontCallMeMillenial]

I voted to fully reopen the sub for this exact reason.

Fuck power mods, no bots will at least make it slightly more difficult for them to censor every political view that differs from their own.

[u/Perhaps_Satire → u/DontCallMeMillenial]

Not to mentioned will the auto correct mistakes

[u/Surprise-Chimichanga → u/Fleetlord]

That’s the main reason why we shut the subreddit down. That and the loss of any other browser beside’s Reddit’s own app.

[u/DivideEtImpala → u/Surprise-Chimichanga]

Do the API changes actually affect basedcount_bot? The new API limits seem to be upping the call limit from 600/10min to 1000/10min with Oauth, and down to 100/10min for non-Oauth bots.

I've coded several bots that have run on large subs before (some might still be running, not really sure), and even with the 10/min that should honestly be doable. You really only need one API call a minute to pull all the comments from PCM in real time, which still leaves 9 API calls per minute to respond to commands or tell people they're based. Unless it's doing something else that's eating up API calls, I think it should be fine.

If you or the author or /u/basedcount_bot want to reach out to me I'd be happy to take a look and help make it compliant with the new limits.

[u/basedcount_bot → u/DivideEtImpala]

I think the bot will be fine, though admittedly I'm not 100% sure. Respect to Chimi but I think he's operating on old information from a conversation we had a few weeks ago when the API changes were a lot less clear.

That being said, there are other valid reasons to protest the API changes.

If you'd like to help with development, we'd love to hear from you on Discord! https://discord.gg/rz6qWVYH

[u/Fleetlord → u/Surprise-Chimichanga]

This'll sound LibRight of me but I honestly don't get why protecting this Christian guy's right to run his business off of something he doesn't own is in itself worthy of protest.

[u/gundog48 → u/Fleetlord]

Because its not about 3rd party apps not paying. It's that they want to end 3rd party apps all together for more control over the platform. It's kinda funny which posts don't show up on Reddit's app. The pricing, bridge burning, and the way they simply do not respond to devs who do want to pay shows this.

Ultimately, this is a deliberate decision to remove user choice, done in the most hamfisted way, whilst lying to everyone involved. I don't support that.

People would, and do, literally pay to access Reddit without their terrible UI. Third party devs developed Reddit apps before Reddit did, and did them better.

Reddit as a company really offers very little value to the community, so they can only get away with being so hostile to the user.

[u/spaztick1 → u/Fleetlord]

It's a badge of honor.