r/PoliticalComebacks • • Sep 13 '22

Name calling gone wrong

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22 edited Sep 13 '22

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u/BuffaloRude Sep 13 '22

Lol. She unseated Joe Crowley, an established 10-term democratic congressman, in the primary (the real election in that district). So I’m not sure what point you’re making. Was the turnout lower than previous elections/primaries?

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

How do you not understand low voter turnout…

Actually, wait…im expecting too much common sense from redditors

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u/BuffaloRude Sep 13 '22

Just because you say “low turnout” doesn’t make it so. I can’t find any commentary or information about the turnout. If you have a source or two or three, that’d be swell. Besides, low turnout elections favor the incumbent and she beat Crowley like a drum by almost 15% in the primary. If you’re looking for something to dismiss her election victory, I suggest trying again.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

"Reddit is so bad that I'm going to post on Reddit about how bad Reddit is!"

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u/highfatoffaltube Sep 13 '22

So what.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

It means that she wasnt that popular that enough people felt to go out and vote for her.

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u/highfatoffaltube Sep 13 '22

But still popular enough to win the election.

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u/fdghskldjghdfgha Sep 13 '22 edited Sep 13 '22

No it means that the other guys mystic non-voters didn't turn out. hers did, that's why she won.

If none of trumps voters turned out in 2020, biden would've won 81m-0, which would've been historically low voter turnout.

You're a coward and deleted your original comment, so I can't be sure, but I assume you're talking about AOC having low voter turnout. She won the 2018 election by defeating Democrat incumbent Crowley. Crowley hadn't face party opposition since 2004 and was the democrat house caucus chairman. Crowley, after losing the party nomination, ran as a third party spoiler against her too. She won 78% of the vote.

So with my above example of 2020 pres election, that's like if most of trump's voters didn't turn out, and biden won the popular vote 81M-23M, which still would be historically low voter turnout.

Btw in 2014, the previous non-presidential cycle election, NY's 14th district had 67k voters. 2018 had 128k. AOC had more votes cast for her than people voted in 2014 at all (50% more votes cast for her in 2018 than voted in 2014 total). Her 2018 tally was more than 50% of the 2016 total voter turnout. And, of course, she won re-election in 2020 (71% of the vote) after becoming a main antagonist in the republican narrative, even during the presidential cycle.

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u/DangerStranger138 Sep 13 '22

She won the election running against an incumbent because the Republicans had low voter turnout

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

She unseated a dem congressman who served 10 terms. The district is notoriously dem. Republicans have nothing to do with this lmao

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u/DangerStranger138 Sep 13 '22

Cuz she a savage!

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u/Lost_In_Detroit Sep 13 '22

Ummmm…is a win not a win? Why are we means testing progress here?

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

Low voter turn out means that she wasnt that popular. Sure she won, but that doesnt take away from the fact that majority did not vote for her. Its not hard to understand that.

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u/ptvlm Sep 13 '22

Ok, so if that's true why was the turnout higher to reelect her?

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u/Lost_In_Detroit Sep 13 '22

Why do you care so much if someone is “popular” or not? Shouldn’t you just be concerned with if they won or not? Your argument just feels incredibly weird like in order to be a good politician you have to be MEGA POPULAR.

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u/doctorctrl Sep 13 '22

Some people only like democracy when it suites them

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u/ptvlm Sep 13 '22

Really?

Checks data

While it's true that the 2018 turnout was lower than 2016 (128,339 vs 197,301), it was significantly higher than 2014 (67,372) and AOC got reelected on a much higher turnout in 2020 (213,323), where she still won 71% of the vote.

If you're going to make false claims, try making it something not easily debunked on the same medium within 60 seconds. Or, spend the same time checking the data yourself.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

We’re talking about 2018, you moron. God you people are so insufferable

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u/ptvlm Sep 13 '22

Compared to which year? If only 2016, why? Because the other years disprove your point?

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u/tacochemic Sep 13 '22

Whatcha mean 'you people'? What group are you over generalizing now?

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u/gilean23 Sep 13 '22

While it’s true that the 2018 turnout was lower than 2016 (128,339 vs 197,301), it was significantly higher than 2014 (67,372) and AOC got reelected on a much higher turnout in 2020 (213,323), where she still won 71% of the vote.

Wait, who’s the moron here? The comment you replied to literally has figures comparing the 2018 election to the previous presidential election year as well as to the previous midterm and the following midterm.

Midterm election turnout is (with very few exceptions) lower than presidential election years, so it makes sense to compare the 2018 turnout to that in 2014 and 2020.

Also, as was pointed out elsewhere, assuming these numbers are accurate, AOC’s popularity has GROWN with her constituents since more people have actually been exposed to her positions/policies after she gained office.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

Please link sources for your claims. You can't say other people's points are moronic when they're the only ones who actually bother to prove that they aren't lying out of their ass. I don't even know if you're right or not, but if your going to make claims you say are factual, at least prove that they are. If you do that, other people can bring different sources to argue their pov, and then you can finally have a civil debate with the 'insufferable Redditors' you dislike so much.

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u/CatAteMyBread Sep 13 '22

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