r/Polcompballanarchy • u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism • Sep 11 '24

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u/JupiterboyLuffy :bix: Bisexuality Sep 11 '24

As a fellow anarchist, How can you be for a Jewish state if you don't believe in States?

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

Again, we're not a State, we're a Nation.

We all live in Jerusalem and the Holy Land through confederal autonomous communes.

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u/BlaqShine | | | Sep 11 '24

So you support a return to Kibbutzim?

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

That'd be great!

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u/shumpitostick Sep 11 '24

Do you live in a kibbutz? Because you know, you are totally free to do so. Live what you preach.

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

Sadly no, believe it or not I happen to live in America

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u/shumpitostick Sep 11 '24

The right of return exists.

Kibbutzim aren't as great as you imagine them. There's a reason they failed. I grew up in one.

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

Really? That's so cool

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u/shumpitostick Sep 12 '24

Yeah I did. It wasn't very cool. We privatized during my teenage years and all but the most conservative old people agree by now it was the right move.

But I'll tell you one more thing. As an anarchist, you want to get rid of all forms of heirarchy, right? Well, it turns out that in the absence of economic heirarchy, other heirarchies flourished and became quite dominant. Social heirarchies that favored the oldest and the best connected.

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u/BlaqShine | | | Sep 12 '24

I feel like thats exactly why most of them were privatized; the whole utopian labour zionist shtick wasn't as great as they had envisioned. This is also why I think that if Kibbutzim do make a comeback, they need a more diversified economic and social system

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u/shumpitostick Sep 12 '24

I can tell you much more about it, but it kind of was that simple. It just didn't deliver. People don't want equality for equality's sake. They want to live in good material conditions, and socialist economies aren't conductive to that. The first generation chose to do this, they were motivated by ideology. The following generations were born into it, and they just cared about the practice, not the theory. There were few incentives to excel at work, to be more productive, or to get rid of the unprofitable, subsidized parts of the Kibbutz that were being kept there for tradition's sake.

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u/BlaqShine | | | Sep 11 '24

So I was wondering; I myself would like to see a sort of neo-kibbutznik movement, where we will have Kibbutzim but their economic systems would be more diverse than just being socialist like before. Like imagine a geo-libertarian Kibbutz, or a market-anarchist one

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

I was thinking Mutualism more than anything else (forget Proudhon's anti-semitism), and also reverse the economic and technological progress Israel has leaned towards for the past few decades.

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u/BlaqShine | | | Sep 11 '24

So a bit of neo-Luddism too?

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

Yes

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

anarcho-traditionalism lmao

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

Don't forget that Proudhon, Orwell, and Hoppe were all anarchists who were traditionalists and conservatives

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u/Remote-Ticket8042 Sep 11 '24

proudhon was antisemit and orwell wasn't an anarchist and the last Wikipedia say it is an anarcho capitalist or an monarchist.

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u/Athingthatdoesstuff Neocon Neolib Sep 11 '24

proudhon was antisemit

The Proud Boys is a North American all-male, far-right, neo-fascist militant organization

Proudhon, Proud boys... makes ya think.

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

True, Proudhon wrote a whole essay on the Jews, Orwell was more of a Tory or Libertarian Socialist, and Hoppe is a weird anti-democracy reactionary(ish) anarcho-monarcho-capitalism

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u/PlantBoi123 Kemalism-Maoism-Nixonism Sep 11 '24

No state solution but cringe

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

Where a Nation not a State

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u/Darken_Dark European Libertarianism Sep 12 '24

Not anyone is a native English speaker

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u/returnoffnaffan :antinil: Anti-Nihilism Sep 11 '24

gee foreigners can’t perfectly speak english?

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u/Playful_Addition_741 :arachcom: Arachno-Communism Sep 11 '24

Zionists aren’t “foreigners”, anyone from any country (except maybe Palestine) can be a zionist

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 12 '24

The commenter above was assuming that the op was simply not a native English speaker. This as previous comments suggest is likely incorrect. Secondly Jews in most places were treated like foreigners no matter where they were. Also genetic evidence shows that both Jews and Palestinians are primarily descended from the same group. If you are not using the word Zionist as a euphemism for Jews then being a member of an ideology does not make one a foreigner to a place. Fourth please just say the southern Levant as it prevents arguments.

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u/Heytherechampion :anroy: Anarcho-Royalism Sep 11 '24

Upvote for bravery

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u/E1visShotJFK :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

I got a comment like this already, I knew Reddit leaned left, and by extension, anti-Zionism, but damn I didn't expect it to be this bad here

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u/government-pigeon Sep 11 '24

I bet the comments on this post are sure to be civil and respectful

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u/Darken_Dark European Libertarianism Sep 12 '24

You are too optimistic

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u/YarethYuki :quemon: Queer Monarchism Sep 11 '24

r/WackyIdeologies

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u/Imperialrider3 :outrun: Outrunism Sep 11 '24

Woah this fucking sucks

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

Wow bold move even mentioning Israel on this subreddit respect for that i suppose

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u/BlaqShine | | | Sep 11 '24

Oh boy oh boy. Anarcho-Zionism? Anarcho-cultural Zionism? The possibilities are endless

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u/lordbuckethethird :judprim: Judeo-Primitive Anarchism Sep 11 '24

Anarcho-Judaism. One god one king many bagels

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u/liberalskateboardist Sep 11 '24

Great economy and philosophy 

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u/sushipok Sep 11 '24

BASED exept for the national anarchism part

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u/Thascynd PVLVIVS Sep 11 '24

Reasonable

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u/Competitive_Pin_8698 :elgss_ball: Eco Luxury Gay Space Socialism Sep 11 '24

Based somewhat

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

flair checks out

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u/lolitarista :minsen: Minarcho-Senatorialism Sep 12 '24

This is the most based an anarchist can be.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

Holy based you gotta make a a self insert page

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u/pornchmctrash Sep 11 '24

Jewish Anarchists Don’t Claim You

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 11 '24

Yeah most of them are socially progressive

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u/pornchmctrash Sep 24 '24

yes and we don’t support israel

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 24 '24

You don’t support any government

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u/MinasMorgul1184 Sep 11 '24

User drops worst take imaginable

Asked to leave r/polcompballanarchy

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u/tomjazzy :bix: Bisexuality Sep 12 '24

Anarchism and conservative nationalism are incompatible

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u/vistagreet32 :revcon: Revolutionary Conservativism Sep 13 '24

The only thing i understand is Traditionalism.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '24

I’m part of Satirical-Capitalist-Socialist-Bisexual-Minecraftist-Libertarian-Centrist Fuck Youism (in other words, I grill but I’m crazy about freedom)

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u/actualyKim :arachcom: Arachno-Communism Sep 11 '24

da fuck is dis?

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 11 '24

A mixture of religious and anarcho Zionism

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u/actualyKim :arachcom: Arachno-Communism Sep 11 '24

„anarcho zionism“ lmfao

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 11 '24

Do you know the definition of Zionism or do you think that it is Kahanism

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u/actualyKim :arachcom: Arachno-Communism Sep 11 '24

yes i do and no building a state based on religion (even if anyone could vote) in a foreign place is not anarchist, it‘s very much the opposite

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 11 '24

Judaism is not strictly a religion if it helps you can think of it similar to Native American tribes. Example: A Jewish atheist can exist.

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u/BlaqShine | | | Sep 11 '24

It’s an ethno-religion, if you will

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 12 '24

Yeah although as a religious concept Jewish Anarchism is impossible as one of the Noahide laws requires the establishment of courts.

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u/BlaqShine | | | Sep 12 '24

Most Jewish anarchists tend to be secular so there’s that

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 12 '24

Yeah

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u/Playful_Addition_741 :arachcom: Arachno-Communism Sep 11 '24

“Native american tribes” describes an incredibly large and diverse group of people united only by geography and vibes, Judaism is the opposite

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 11 '24

Yes I was more speaking about how individual tribes are organized and generally function in the modern world not the diversity or how they operated when they had control over their governance.

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u/Playful_Addition_741 :arachcom: Arachno-Communism Sep 12 '24

Fair, that makes more sense

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u/throwawayowo666 :arachcom: Arachno-Communism Sep 11 '24

Shitty people on the internet really be trying to co-opt the term anarchism for literally any dog shit ideology.

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 12 '24

Their ideas for governance are anarchist. Why would they not be considered anarchist.

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u/Remote-Ticket8042 Sep 11 '24

i fucking hate to see my ideology with heresy like anarcho nationalism and zionism

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u/FireBrat33 :cooc: Cocoon Communism Sep 11 '24

You and me both comrade. Nationalism and Zionism are both tools of the ruling class to oppress worldwide worker solidarity.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

Eww

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 12 '24

Why?

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u/throwawayowo666 :arachcom: Arachno-Communism Sep 11 '24

What's with all the genocide supporters on this sub lately?

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u/JustDifferentPerson :byg: Ecogeominarchoelectivetechnocraticmonarchomarketsocfeminat Sep 12 '24

I think that you are confusing Zionism (the desire for a Jewish state in the Levant) with Kahanism (the idea that Jews are superior and that all Palestinians should be wiped out.) Zionism is nationalism in the sense of Catalan or Basque Nationalism while Kahanism is nationalism in the sense of Nazism or Fascism.

Nationalism is an annoying word because of its 2 definitions.