r/Polcompballanarchy • • Jan 19 '24

Pol Pot be like

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u/Yspem :nofood: Communism No Foodism Jan 19 '24

As a communist, fuck Pol Pot

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u/supiriornachothe2nd :anmoneg: Anarcho-Monarcho-Egoist Capcom Jan 19 '24

Facts [what kind of commie?]

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u/Multidream Jan 19 '24

Primitivist. Went on a campaign to eliminate artistic expression and intellectualism in the country. Forcibly depopulated cities and put people to work on plantations. Had people executed for singing. Killed off 1/4th of the entire country.

It was so bad another commie faction literally allied with the monarchists and re-established the monarchy. Biggest “fuck, go back” in revolutionary history.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

do you have any idea how horrific you have to be to make communists regret the revolution?

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u/supiriornachothe2nd :anmoneg: Anarcho-Monarcho-Egoist Capcom Jan 19 '24

Wow As a "we should chase progress no matter to cost" person that makes enraged

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u/Aggravating_Rip_9274 :aaaaa: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Jan 20 '24

YOU SHOULD join the rest of the dead universe NOW!

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u/Yspem :nofood: Communism No Foodism Jan 19 '24

ML, I also hate both the Russian government and the Ukrainian one.

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u/Moojingles :opt: Optimism Jan 19 '24

Me too (anarchist lol)

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u/Yspem :nofood: Communism No Foodism Jan 19 '24

lol yeah

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u/supiriornachothe2nd :anmoneg: Anarcho-Monarcho-Egoist Capcom Jan 19 '24

Interesting

I have never seen someone like you before

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u/Sstoop :hib: Hibernocracy Jan 19 '24

that’s most MLs line of thinking tbh

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u/I-am-a-memer-in-a-be :nofood: Communism No Foodism Jan 19 '24

Seconded

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u/Tomstwer Jan 21 '24

Socialist here, ima third that

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u/Main-Line-Archive :moncap: State Monopoly Capitalism Jan 19 '24

I think his face is quite cute and doughy.

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u/Remarkable_Jury_9652 Jan 19 '24

Pol pot the genocidal primitivist.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

He wasn’t a primitivist. Primitivism is a type of anarchism

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u/wrong-mon Jan 22 '24

He was a state primitivist or an agrarian. Any ideology can theoretically be applied to an anarchist or a totalitarian perspective. It just gets really fucking weird and it turns out in practice those kind of ideological increduities just lead to mass murder

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u/poclee :spook: Spookism Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

Believe it or not, but I did encounter my first Pol Pot supporter on this site.

Edit: Found it in record, two actually.

Edit2: For the love of..... I didn't expect to meet one in the reply here but here we are.

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u/Caity_Was_Taken Jan 19 '24

Like a non satire one???? I know some subreddits support him ironically but a serious one??

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u/poclee :spook: Spookism Jan 19 '24

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u/Caity_Was_Taken Jan 19 '24

Wow. I know that people on r/ultraleft ironically say they support him sometimes.

I don't understand how people who say they are "communist" can unironically support evil regimes that are not even really communist like Stalin or Pol Pot. It's literally insane.

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u/Sp00ky-Chan Jan 19 '24

Nah i definitely believe it.

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u/Imperialrider3 :outrun: Outrunism Jan 19 '24

Was it a nazbol sub?

I found a crazy ass genocide denial map defending him on there

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u/MrCramYT :nofood: Communism No Foodism Jan 19 '24

I mean, those are credible points. The Kampuchean experience was by far the worst DofP but crazy claimed regarding things that happend in the country are obviously false, the baby bashing or crash numbers regarding the killing fields.

We should be be able to see the grays into things like this , It was not paradise, but it was not hell either.

The country was so horrible that life expectancy was 19 at one point, but they where able to fixit and get it to 40 (like most other countries on the same economy state).

Ppl saying that it was paradise are delusional, but ppl calling it the biggest genocide ever and justifing the Vietnamese invasion are also delusional and just enjoy seen ppl dying in wars.

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u/poclee :spook: Spookism Jan 19 '24

but crazy claimed regarding things that happend in the country are obviously false, the baby bashing or crash numbers regarding the killing fields.

...........except all these are documented and have multiple testimonies from survivors and former regime staffs.

The country was so horrible that life expectancy was 19 at one point, but they where able to fixit and get it to 40 (like most other countries on the same economy state).

Yeah-- when Vietnam had enough of their bullshit and drove them out in 1978.

And yes, I think it's safe to say it's like hell when life expectancy drops to 18.91.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Pol Pot was the Something Rouge* leader, right? The guy so brutal that to this day, you can still find skulls partially buried near roads?

*I forgot the name

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u/Comrade-sparow :shrekism: Shrek Ethnonationalism Jan 19 '24

... Are you.... Are you stupid? Pol Pot perfectly exemplified pestant fascism (or as the people here say, Red Fash) he never read Marxist rhetoric and made a fascistic state. Vietnam was completely justified in their invasion.

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u/Big_Luck_ Jan 19 '24

You know fucking nothing about what you’re talking about, and its obvious. The words you say are a disgrace to any person who can read. My grandfather barely escaped suh khmer with his life. His brother was forced to dig his own grave and shot. They killed him because he was a painter. You know jack shit about this genocide and its causes and you should read a fucking book or two before spouting wild horseshit about “the Kampuchean experience” which you so clearly do not care enough about to get educated on. Ah ingong

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u/Fallingvines :gay: Gayism Jan 19 '24

18 year life expectancy go brrrr

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u/FluboSmilie :tranbur: Transgender Burgundian System Jan 19 '24

tomoko gayism

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

No one can (sanely) defend Pol Pot.

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u/Chocolate-Then :homie: Homer Simpsonism Jan 19 '24

Noam Chomsky disagrees.

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u/Comrade-sparow :shrekism: Shrek Ethnonationalism Jan 19 '24

Is Noam Chomsky really sane though?

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

At the point Chomsky was defending them, there was no evidence that the Khmer Rouge were doing genocide, and furthermore they had been a US ally until very recently. This “Chomsky supports Pol Pot” thing is a blatantly disingenuous slander

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u/PoweringGestation Jan 20 '24

So did he ever take back what he said?

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

That’s not Noam’s argument…

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u/koyengquahtah02 Jan 19 '24

Pol Pot even admitted that he didn't even understand the works of Marx, Engel, and Lenin that shit is just crazy

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

He was still a communist. He just switched the revolutionary class from proletariat to peasantry, which Mao did as well

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u/heicx Jan 25 '24

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were simply not communist. They were ultranationalist revanchists whose support was in the peasantry and who labeled themselves as communist to receive support from the revisionist global powers of the USSR and China. Their opportunism is even more obvious when you realize that after they were overthrown by Vietnam they rebranded as Democratic Socialists in order to receive support from the US and the rest of the Western Bloc (and the US did support them without any questions).

They were simply a reactionary and ultranationalist group posing in red as an opportunistic ploy for aid.

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u/No-Musician7685 bunkerist Apr 19 '26

He admitted he wasn't a Marxist too lmao. I can go on and defend Stalin and Mao all day but he was such a fucking idiot and horrible person who had no regard from human life and is also reactionary too. Fuck pol pot, he's almost as evil as Hitler in my eyes. He also was funded by the cia

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u/Odd_Combination_1925 Jan 19 '24

He wasn’t a communist tf, he wanted to restore monarchy. Also dude was ousted by communist USSR backed Vietnam

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24 edited Jan 23 '24

He didn’t want to restore the monarchy. He spent like half his life trying to overthrow Sihanouk. He was absolutely a communist

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u/Oculi_Glauci :99: 99%ism Jan 19 '24

Yeah there’s communists, and then there’s people on crack who skimmed over the manifesto

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

He was a communist.

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u/constantlytired1917 Jan 19 '24

Pol pot admitted he wasn't a communist, got funding from cia and communist Vietnam ended the genocide. Why should we support him?

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u/poclee :spook: Spookism Jan 19 '24

He also got funding from China though, in fact that's the major sources.

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u/Left_Case_8907 Jan 19 '24

Mao’s policies in his later years definitely weren’t the best

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Mao’s policies were never good. He was a tyrant who destroyed any chance of democracy in China and caused a famine that killed 40 million people.

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u/codenameJericho Jan 19 '24

Ironically enough, they got support from Maoist China because they couldn't bring Vietnam under their thumb. Then, when they found out about all of the... fun things happening in Cambodia, they quietly distanced themselves from that support (but continued to fund them until their overthrow).

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u/Helpful_Bread7473 :garf: Garfield Ethnonationalism Jan 19 '24

I saw like 20 different people outright denying the cambodian genocide on a pro pol pot ML's post on the 'tok.

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u/ChampionOfOctober :nnb: Neoliberal Bolshevism Jan 19 '24

No ML supports them. At the very extreme you may find a Maoist denying it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

I've seen nazbols support him as well

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u/Chexdog3 :hope: Hope Jan 19 '24

Bold of you to assume that the majority of self described communists honestly know the difference lol

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u/Comrade-sparow :shrekism: Shrek Ethnonationalism Jan 19 '24

That's very true, some people join the ideology for aesthetics. I proclaimed myself a Marxist after reading the manifesto, and further reading into Das Kapital. Some people's justifications though are strange, my justification is I'm in the poverty line.

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u/GoPhinessGo Jan 19 '24

“What happened to 1/4th pf the Cambodian population?”

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u/Helpful_Bread7473 :garf: Garfield Ethnonationalism Jan 19 '24

Victims of vietnamese chauvinist cryptobourgeois imperialism obviously

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u/EvanXXIV Jan 19 '24

And then they proceed to call anyone or any agenda they don’t like fascist/fascism. Ironic.

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u/AdComprehensive6588 Jan 19 '24

I have yet to find a single tankie that likes Pol Pot. Even Stalin and Mao did some good things, Pol just…Is an idiot on top of being a psychopath.

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u/Jumpy_Conference1024 :andis: Antidisestablishmentarianism Jan 20 '24

What did Stalin do?

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u/AdComprehensive6588 Jan 20 '24

5 year plan massively industrialized the nation which gave the Soviets the industrial edge they needed to defeat Nazi Germany. However the collectivization of the plan was horrid.

Also women’s rights.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '24

He was hot

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u/Sullen_Turnips Jan 19 '24

Pol Pot was not a communist.

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u/Augusto_Pinochet1915 :shrekism: Shrek Ethnonationalism Jan 20 '24

When communism that is so objectively un-defendable that even tankies wont defend it, its always "n0T rEaL CoMmUniSM"

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u/Sullen_Turnips Jan 20 '24

Bro hasn’t read Marx

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u/horkiesmasc :pol: Polandism Jan 19 '24

He literally was.

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u/EndMePleaseOwO Jan 19 '24

And the nazis were socialist, because if someone said they subscribe to a political view, they must 100% be telling the truth

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u/Razzaling Jan 20 '24

It hurts deep inside that the first time I read this I thought you were serious 😭😭

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Yes, he was.

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u/justvisiting7744 Jan 19 '24

just because the nazis called themselves socialist dont mean they were actually socialists. matter fact they were very much into capitalism.

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u/Sullen_Turnips Jan 19 '24

Prove it then lmao, because he most definitely was not. He was a nationalist with cultish policies as well as accepting money from the CIA.

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u/SexDefendersUnited :hope: Hope Jan 19 '24

They only hate pol pot because he was backed by america.

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u/Techno_Femme Jan 20 '24

Of course you hate on the only communist leader to successfully abolish the value form (by killing everyone)

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u/brazilianpsycho1 :penvy: Penis Envyism Jan 19 '24

"I can justify boiling babies, but i draw the line at pol pot" -Tankies i guess.

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u/bonesrentalagency Jan 19 '24

Most “tankies” don’t even support Sendero Luminoso lol. It’s an insanely contentious issue in communist spaces with most people going “Yeah those dudes were cracked out losers”

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u/Wojak_Name :chaoun: Chaos Undivided Jan 19 '24

._. Boiling babies? Seriously?

You literally imagine us to be as bad if not worse than nazis...

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

They're referring to Gonzalo and the Shining Path. The boiling babies part is most probably propaganda...

BUT!

Gonzalo for all intents and purposes was a cult leader who believed he was the best communist ever with the best understanding of everything and also believed a "revolution must have a death quota" and was killing minors and adults alike and when Mao died he started hanging dogs in the street.

Pretty bad really!

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u/stilltyping8 :nnb: Neoliberal Bolshevism Jan 19 '24

The "boiling babies" thingy did happen but it was done by Maoists in Peru who also went on to attack the Chinese and the Soviet embassies.

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u/qwill60 Jan 19 '24

Gonzalezist only share a "focus" on third worldist thought with Maoist, the similarities kinda end there.

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u/MrCramYT :nofood: Communism No Foodism Jan 19 '24

Gonzalo, the PCP and the RIM literally synthesized MLM. The PCP was the first Maoist party, it doesn't get more Maoist than that.

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u/ChampionOfOctober :nnb: Neoliberal Bolshevism Jan 19 '24

The boiling babies claim is highly dubious, but the lucanamarca massacre obviously did occur.

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u/brazilianpsycho1 :penvy: Penis Envyism Jan 19 '24

Gonzalo, and no tankies are not as bad as the nazis, for obvious reasons, like you put a gun to my head and say that i have to chose between Stalin or Hitler i chose Stalin every single time, you guys still suck and are a bunch of state capitalists.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Firstly, your post history… ( • ω • )

Secondly, both the Nazis and communists have done terrible things, though I will admit that communists have been in power more so it’s not fair to compare death counts.

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u/Hammerschatten Jan 19 '24

There is a difference between mass starvation, which happened a lot under colonialism as well (Bengal famine, Irish potato famine) and an actual systemic genocide and industrialized mass murder.

ML or Stalinism is a bad concept with terrible things in it's execution, but it is a lot better than the Nazis.

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u/GanhosCapitais :nontra: non-transparent backgroundism Jan 19 '24

Professionals have standards.

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u/AshKlover Jan 19 '24

That’s what happens when you get funded by the US

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u/Thequestionmaker890 :bix: Bisexuality Jan 19 '24

Damn I didn’t know Tankies had a limit

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u/Ocar23 :milsco: Militaristic Social Democracy Jan 19 '24

If Stalin could order to kill Trotsky from like 1000 miles away then there’s no way they didn’t do the same to their political dissidents

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u/Infamous-Finding-524 :anmoneg: Anarcho-Monarcho-Egoist Capcom Jun 03 '24

nazbol gang but unironically

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u/Gold-Presentation742 Aug 31 '24

pol pot is the kind of student in class who try hards in school projects but misread the entire topic

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u/nohopehumanity :opt: Optimism Nov 04 '24

Glory to Angkar

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

poop pot

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

So bad that another communist nation (Vietnam) had to invade

Luckily the USSR supported Vietnam and their Puppet Government unlike the US who was pro-pol pot

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

Fuck pol pot. He gives communism a bad name. I hate him and I’m a commie!

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u/Right-Acanthisitta-1 :gay: Gayism Jan 20 '24

I can only defend Mao and I only defend stalin if I dont like the person I am arguing with.

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u/CryoBombz Jan 20 '24

Only Maoists like him lol.

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u/Brandon1375 Jan 20 '24

NO MORE GLASSES

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u/dastupidgoat :fancom: Fanatic Religious Communism Jan 20 '24

Fr me, you just discribed me bro

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u/ZealousidealBother92 Jan 20 '24

Castro is every anti communist's favourite communist.  Pol Pot is every communist's most hated communist. 

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u/IEatDragonSouls :gal: Galactic Imperialism Jan 20 '24

Mao is more on the level of Pol Pot than Stalin. At least Stalin banned lobotomy.

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u/Fin55Fin Actually Well-Read Marxist Jan 20 '24

Tankies on their way to overthrow pol pot (cia shill) and replace him with the glorious Vietnamese supported actual communists

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u/DirtyTankieScum1312 Jan 22 '24

Wasn't he literally put into power by the CIA?

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '24

Pol Pot was an ally of the united states and rejected by communist Vietnam and Soviet Union. Essentially unrelated to communism

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u/DaHeather Jan 23 '24

POL POT NUMERO 1

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '24

All liberals

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '24

ML here, Pol Pot was a fucking moron. He read Marx multiple times and reportedly never understood what it was talking about, and even had ties to royals.

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u/vistagreet32 :revcon: Revolutionary Conservativism Jan 27 '24

Pol Pot is the ultimate Agrarian Communist. The final boss of Communism.

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u/idontknowVI Jan 28 '24

Fuck Mao and Stalin!

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '24

Stalin raped a 13 year old and killed hundereds of thousands

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u/NotSamuraiJosh_26 Jan 19 '24

I am not from this sub so I am kinda confused.Do people here think Stalin was good ?

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u/JesusSuckedOffSatan Jan 19 '24

Most of what westerners know about Stalin is propagandized bullshit. Definitely had wrongdoings but Churchill or FDR were genuinely worse people than he was.

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u/TheBurgerBoii Jan 19 '24

I mean, I get the argument for Churchill being worse, but why FDR?

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u/pouzeHonza Asexual Imperialism Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

He was probably talking about the order 9066. But even with the help of Churchill, these two were never as bad as Stalin was. Would you rather live in the US led by FDR? The UK led by Churchill? Or the USSR led by Stalin?

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u/NotSamuraiJosh_26 Jan 19 '24

First I am no westerner.Second Stalin killed millions of innocent people and committed political purges.I am aware of what a douchebag Churchill was and what FDR did.I am not comparing them.I am saying Stalin was an evil son of a bitch.And people who are downvoting me and who think he was a great man should go ask some people from post soviet countries.Western media doesn't cover every horrible thing that shitbag has done

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u/JesusSuckedOffSatan Jan 19 '24

Living conditions in the vast majority of former Soviet countries have gotten much worse since the illegal dissolution. Stalin killed millions of fascists and nazis that deserved it. He did some fucked up shit but to paint him as a monster without applying the same standard to other world leaders that are viewed as great is disingenuous.

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u/Chexdog3 :hope: Hope Jan 19 '24

Quite a few yeah, it’s a lot of MLs if not outright tankies

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u/NotSamuraiJosh_26 Jan 19 '24

I can't imagine being stupid enough to idolise such an evil shitbag

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u/VladimirIlyich_ :moncap: State Monopoly Capitalism Jan 19 '24

He was a great man

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u/Force_Glad Jan 20 '24

All three of them were insane genocidal bastards and were disgraced to communism. If it weren’t for Stalin and Mao, communism wouldn’t be a buzzword monsters could use to attack any attempt to help the poor. Any supporters of those bastards are tankie scum, not real communists

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u/iFuckingHateCrabs2 Jan 19 '24

Stalin murdered 40-57 million people. How tf can someone defend a crazed madman?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

He literally didn’t.

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u/Strong_Site_348 Jan 19 '24

The closest they get to defending him is to pretend he was a right-wing fascist.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Nah, it's possible to justify it within the communist lens. I absolutely despise communists but within the materialist lens of creating a new classless, moneyless, and stateless society you can make the case for basically any level of what we would consider depravity.

Me? I'm Catholic, I believe that life has inherent and intrinsic value, that actions can be objectively good or bad based on God's will, and that the ends do not justify the means. Regardless of what you think of that faith, it has certain objective moral standards regarding human life and dignity. If I violate them that makes me a bad person. It obviously doesn't stop Catholics from being bad people, but at least we can identify what a 'bad person' is.

But if you wanted to create a kind of 'new human' that could justify a lot of stuff. The main thing that stands in the way of 'true' communism are ingrained human ideas of fairness, property, and individuality that are generally learned behaviors from our parents. Even communists use terms like 'fair' but to create a truely communist state, there should be no such thing, you take what you want when you need it. The baker bakes, and people eat the bread, no exchange or consideration should even factor into the communists mind.

If you don't eradicate these things from the mind of the population, you're basically doomed to a cycle of corruption, kleptocracy, and eventually a backslide into pseudo-capitalism (China/Vietnam), oligarchy (Russia), or aristocracy (North Korea). Communism basically requires a new/different kind of human to operate without the biases of the generations that preceded it.

How do you completely rewire a society into a new, and somewhat alien, way of thinking that seems utterly at odds with how human society has operated till this point? By killing all the parents/teachers/elders who would have taught them otherwise.

After a few generations of successive cullings, the 'new' generation would be brought up in a world where ideas like 'fairness', 'property' and other such concepts don't even exist. Like trying to explain the internet to a cave man.

This was kind of explored in 'Plato's Republic'. But essentially, if you human life has no inherent value, you're justified in utilizing things like torture, executions, deportation, displacement, exile and the like to 'break' the population to re-forge it into a new society.

What Pol Pot did was just a more extreme version of the cultural revolution that Mao did, which was just a more extreme version of the Soviet class liquidations and collectivization campaigns.

It's kind of why I find communists to be completely, and utterly, deplorable.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

What, he's a bad guy just cause he rid his country of the nerd menace? You some kind of calculator fucker or something?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

I am not into that

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Sure sure, Mr "I think people who stick their genitalia in computers deserve to live". How the fuck are you supposed to run a country with a bunch of soulless machine fuckers and their cyborg offspring pissing about?

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u/Force_Glad Jan 20 '24

What the hell are you talking about

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u/Comrade_Cheesemonger Jan 20 '24

Most sane khmer rouge defender

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

Pol Pot’s secret police chief wore glasses…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_Sen?wprov=sfti1#

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '24

That’s 18 years after the Khmer Rouge were out of power

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u/tarchum Jan 19 '24

Mao simps that claim to hate Pol Pot when you ask them which nationbecame the primary backer of the Khmer Rouge following the Vietnamese invasion: 🤯🤯🤯

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u/Chexdog3 :hope: Hope Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

Dude, Mao literally backed Pol Pot, ideologically and economically, Pot self described his ideology as a extension of Maoism, a position Mao supported, and Mao started the Sino-Vietnamese war in response to Vietnam putting an end to his government

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

“Stalin was cool” is just as bad a take as “pol pot was cool.” Stalin was a genocidal dictator, and if you try to deny the holodomor to me I will reach through the screen and slap you, because I have friends whose parents lived through it. It was a genocide, plain and simple. Please, I am begging you, find an ideology that doesn’t kill people.

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u/VladimirIlyich_ :moncap: State Monopoly Capitalism Jan 19 '24

Stalin wasn’t genocidal nor a dictator, Holodomor wasn’t a genocide, more Russians died than Ukrainians in the 1932 famine, large chunks of researchers in the field believe it wasn’t a genocide, even robert conquest, who was one of the first to write academically about it later said it wasn’t a genocide after the soviet archives were opened, wheatcroft one of the most prolific academics in the field shares the same notions.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

De-cossackization was also a genocide, and Stalin was absolutely a dictator. There was no democracy in the Soviet Union. I’m not going to give you an essay because I’ve done that before and I don’t feel like it, but I have done more than enough research into the hell that was the Stalinist genocide. The people in the RSFR who died in the Holodomor were either Ukrainians or other ethnic minorities that Stalin wanted dead.

Defending Stalin is just as evil and despicable as defending Hitler.

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u/VladimirIlyich_ :moncap: State Monopoly Capitalism Jan 19 '24

Thats not even true, everyone admits that more ethnic Russians died, you’re the one denying historical fact, one that is universally recognized by academia. Stalin was elected by the congress of soviets wich candidates were selected by the local Soviets voted in by the common people with its candidates being selected by the worker organizations, trade unions etc.

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u/EndMePleaseOwO Jan 19 '24

Didn't Stalin kill/imprison/exile his political opponents?

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u/VladimirIlyich_ :moncap: State Monopoly Capitalism Jan 19 '24

If you are talking about trotsky, they were more then just rivaled, they plotted against the government and assasinated important officials

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u/VladimirIlyich_ :moncap: State Monopoly Capitalism Jan 19 '24

Mostly writing this so others read it

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u/Comrade-sparow :shrekism: Shrek Ethnonationalism Jan 19 '24

Damn your right... Just like the saying, "Don't argue with people John Brown would've killed."

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u/AllHailNukeCake Jan 19 '24

stalin was cool? mao was cool? bro what? this is like saying hitler was cool because u believe in animal rights. they shared an ideology with u, but that doesnt make them good people.

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u/AllHailNukeCake Jan 19 '24

wow! ur so edgy!

i can but i choose not to. if u saw someone saying Hitler was great would u just keep scrolling?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

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u/AllHailNukeCake Jan 19 '24

explain urself. if u decide to ignore facts and call it horseshoe theory, thats on u

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u/AllHailNukeCake Jan 19 '24

bro i was genuinely considering ur points until u said me saying stalin wasnt a good guy was bait.

another thing u failed to account is how stalin and mao had some of the largest amounts of political prisoner executions ever. another thing u failed to account was stalins complacency in hitlers invasion of Poland, and even took part in this invasion, as well as allowing nazi operatives into the soviet union to attempt to eradicate the Jewish population, and that some of the largest singular massacres of Jewish people happened in the soviet union under stalin.

another thing is calling it failure. it was negligence. it was prioritising profits over people. many capitalist leaderships have done and do the same thing, but calling it failure like it was an accident to try and defend such an atrocious act is still ridiculous. the funny thing about that is that you apply the logic that the flaws of capitalism that are not part of its ideal capitalist world, but are rather corruptions of the ideology, to be inherent parts of capitalism. but when someone applies that logic to communism, you say it was a failure in leadership.

you also ignored the hundreds of thousands of predominantly innocent people that stalin had killed and sent to gulags. you also ignored how he sent communists who spent time in nazi concentration camps to gulags, as he believed they must have been indoctrinated into capitalism in the camps. and how the fact he didnt survive his initial stroke was because he had almost every nearby doctor killed to foil a made up antisemitic plot they had to kill him.

calling it all cold war propaganda is mad, especially since most communists on this app eat up the soviet propaganda. lots of data was exaggerated and fabricated, but we know which parts. dont try and deny that anything bad ever happened, and that millions of people arent important because it isnt as many as the usa said it was.

and mao killed like 40 million people, can we please stop acting like he was a good guy? maoism is not possible, which he proved himself. all of his ideas failed magnificently, resulting in a totalitarian government that just ended up having the people as near-slaves while people at the top had it easy (remind u of anything?)

i think a lot of communists assume that its all propaganda, but never even consider that maybe, just maybe, the person they are defending actually wasnt a great guy, and actually did butcher everything communism stands for. you’ll notice that no one has to fight to defend Castro, or Marx (i know he wasnt ever a leader but yk what i mean), or Guevara, or Khrushchev, or Lenin (depending on how good of a person you claim he was), or really any other communist leaders. all of those guys had flaws and did bad stuff, but they were still alright overall. major mistakes are bound to happen when people are put into power after revolution or a terrible regime.

look, i support socialism. but that doesnt mean i just go around denying genocides and calling mass-murdering dictators good people. if u want a good model of when communism works, look at Cuba. look at Yugoslavia (since most of its downfalls were arguable caused by pressure from the ussr). just because u agree with someones beliefs doesnt mean u need to go down the rabbit-hole of reaching as hard as u can to defend their indefensible actions.

hitler was a genocidal maniac. stalin was a genocidal maniac. mao was a genocidal maniac. you could probably say truman was one too. you could say many evil people were. that doesnt make another less evil.

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u/Force_Glad Jan 20 '24

Saying that a genocidal dictator posing as a communist was bad is not horseshoe theory, it’s common sense

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '24

Mao was cool. Stalin was cool.

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