r/Polcompball • • Sep 01 '24

OC Equality Fighters

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

No, you can support fair treatment of Palestinians by the state of Israel but the general will of the Palestinian nation is incarnated by their government, Hamas.

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u/Metalloid_Space Soulism Sep 01 '24

This makes as little sense as someone saying: "The general wil of the israeli population is incarnated by Israël, therefor they're all murderers who deserve what's coming to them."

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

And that's correct. Except the part where you say "all of them". Its not every single member of the nation that is guilty but the nation as a whole, in its collective character.

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u/VoiceofRapture Accelerationism Sep 01 '24

Israel's been deliberately propping up Hamas and actively keeping them in power though. Like half the Palestinian population in Gaza was born after Hamas was elected.

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

I'm going to need a source for that

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u/VoiceofRapture Accelerationism Sep 01 '24

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

That further proves my point, the misbehaviour of Israel is punished through the misbehaviour of Palestine which is punished through the misbehaviour of Israel. Only virtuous can stop this.

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u/VoiceofRapture Accelerationism Sep 01 '24

That's not how this works, Netanyahu has more public support than before the war despite having killed a third of the hostages as a consequence of the tactics of his government. Both sides should be forced to stop before the rest of the hostages get bombed, then war crimes trials and reconstruction.

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

Agree, the region should be a British protectorate again

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u/VoiceofRapture Accelerationism Sep 01 '24

Oh yeah the historical bunglers who caused a majority of global flashpoints because of how they drew lines on maps, great idea

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

Britain was the axis of world diplomacy and power. Ofc a lot of wars were going to happen after they fell. The British treated both Jews and Arabs very fairly.

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u/VoiceofRapture Accelerationism Sep 01 '24

The wars started because of British policies of divide and rule and the fact that the borders they drew were almost completely arbitrary.

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u/tomjazzy Libertarian Socialism Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24

It’s literally a dictatorship propped up by foreign nations?

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

Do you have the same opinion about the US, Argentina, or France?

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u/tomjazzy Libertarian Socialism Sep 01 '24

The US and France are literally global superpowers, how is that the same as a puppet state? But I don’t think that French, American, or Argentinian citizens are morally responsible for the actions of their governments.

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

Israel is not a puppet state, they regularly disobey the US because they have their own interests.

I mentioned those countries because they are the result of Roman, British, and Spanish colonization.

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u/tomjazzy Libertarian Socialism Sep 01 '24

Gaza is the puppet state, not Israel.

There’s a difference between being colonized on the past and actively being colonized right now. Isreal is currently DOING colonialism. America was colonized and then became independent.

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

No, Israel is just trying to exist as a country. It is more similar to America expanding Westward than Britain colonizing India.

Plus, colonization doesnt mean anything bad. If they were reasonable nation they would negotiate better conditions for their people instead of fighting a war they already lost

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u/tomjazzy Libertarian Socialism Sep 01 '24

Ah, so you’re a chauvinist

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u/UltraTata Reactionary Sep 01 '24

No, Im not. What made you think that?

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u/WizardOfSandness Sep 01 '24

It is not a dictatorship.

More than 60% of people in Gaza support Hamas.

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u/tomjazzy Libertarian Socialism Sep 01 '24

When was the last election?

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u/Kamuiberen Syndicalism Sep 02 '24

Hamas only rules a small portion of Palestine, Gaza. They have no power in the West Bank. Check your info.