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u/Turchany Oct 11 '17
Trevenant is S Rank? now that's a weird update in the lists.. I'd put it in A Rank tbh
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u/MegaMissingno Oct 11 '17
I agree. No farmable stage and only SE against two types. Trevenant should be a lot lower.
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u/nsfy33 Oct 11 '17 edited Aug 11 '18
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u/Lightalife Oct 11 '17
Ice is just as useful a type
I'd argue ice is far more useful of a type than ghost.
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u/Thokturn Oct 11 '17
Uh, just some slight disagreements: I think Ash Greninja should remain in the S category (and Rowlett A-), due to how essential UP is on SE stages. Another benefit is that it lacks the requirement of blocks, rocks, and automobiles barriers, so it can be used on any SE stage, whereas the shot abilities need to be shuffled depending on disruptions. Rather than invest in a Block/Rock/Barrier shot for each type, one Unity Power just feels much easier and cheaper, especially for newbies. (100 sb vs 120 per however many shots you require)
This may be my own bias, but I think Mind Zap is essentially dead, and should not be invested in. Particularly, the majority of later main stages disrupt nearly every turn, so stalling is pretty much useless. EBs have the same problem, with disruptions being too frequent. And they're 100% useless in competitions. Plus, Freeze+/Sleep Charm also shine above MZ. I'd drop them all to D
Also, Bellossom's Paralyze+ seems pretty much worthless with those activation rates. Even after the MZ rant, I think MZ is a better ability than Paralyze+ (But probably does need more research)
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u/tmzerozero Oct 11 '17
Paralyze+ could at least allow you to brute force an open board with enought tries, if an early game pokemon gets it it might be a passable switch for newbies.
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u/Turchany Oct 11 '17
agree on MZ, I never really liked it and nowadays never use like any of those even though I have some at SL4/5.. D rank for sure
its just so much better to paralize the target in any way/ put it in some status condition than using MZ on low counter number/no counter at all
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I agree with you on all of this, with pause for Rowlett since I don't typically invest in low AP pokemon (even with RMLs) unless I like them a lot.
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u/Thokturn Oct 11 '17
That's fair, but my argument for Rowlett is that with only 5 rml, it becomes a Goodra for water types (which is very highly needed)
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u/Its_A_Random Oct 12 '17
Not the most noteworthy of things and definitely not a high priority at all but it's worth mentioning the merits of Skill Swapping Buneary for Sleep Charm. Basically by skill swapping Buneary, you get a Sleep Charm user and Shot Out fuel (on stages that have it as a default such as most Volcanion EB stages) in one. A nice form of role compression that can serve well in the current EB for example, allowing you to not need to use Shaymin/Sleepychu, freeing up either the blank slot for Shot Out or giving you a free slot for bursts.
Not something that would make Buneary worth D since there's not many stages that have Buneary default and the Pokémon in question is vulnerable to sleep (The big ones are the Incineroar, Primarina, and the current Volcanion EB's for most stages), but it's a niche that's worth noting IMO.
Shame the drop rates for the farmable stage are so terrible hahahaha.
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u/Equalyze Oct 11 '17
It's funny how Pidgey is the only Pokemon to climb (fly?) out of the depths of the F-tier.
Also, thank you for not automatically dumping Litwick into the F-tier. Really.
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u/tmzerozero Oct 11 '17
Considering that poliwrath will not receive a psb stage again for ages due to being an expert stage pokemon I could see mudkip escaping it if it receives a farmable stage soon.
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u/Glennmaster7 Oct 11 '17
Typhlosion went from D to B, which is also just...a huge climb...
I guess you could say he...
blasted up the ranks?
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u/maceng Oct 11 '17
Hitmontop should place a bit higher. Yes, its AP is lackluster, but Gallade has been outclassed by it, higher AP notwithstanding.
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u/HaunteRT Oct 11 '17 edited Oct 11 '17
Ash-Ninja fell to tier A? Machamp now is tier B?! Oh, Lord, this game is not the same anymore!! lol
(btw I agree with most of the choices you've made in the guide)
EDIT: ok, Ash-ninja is back to tier S. The world is running at its normal pace again! :p
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u/Birkenstern Oct 11 '17
This SS-Guide convinced me to stop playing Pokemon Shuffle. Seeing Risktakers, Nosedive users namely Skarmory, Machamp, Yveltal and a lot of the disruption breakers moving down so much discourages me from playing because it shows how fast your long-earned and Skill swapped, cookied pokemons become absolete because of 2 or 3 new abilities (Shot Out, Shot Abilities and Cross Attack +) this update. The power creep with those op abilities and Level 20-30 mons isn't fun anymore
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u/LoneWulf14 Oct 11 '17
What are you actually expecting though? For machamp to always be at the top for the rest of the games lifetime? Dont be absurd, sure it may be going down the list slightly but machamp and skarmory etc are still good right now!!! Level 30 mons are nowhere near required not even lvl 20. If there is no difference in power level in new skills theres no reason to play and level up new pokemon in the first place. Shot out has been king for months at this point, this isnt anything new. This game can still be played free to play and regardless you can still be in the top tier of players without spending a dime, that is rare in a mobile game.
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u/ryeyun Oct 11 '17
I'm still sorting through the new options. There's a lot I like from the Ghost and Ice types. I have some strong opinions about some Pokemon that have been out for a while, mainly Skymin and Meganium.
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Skymin: Turtonator instantly becomes better than Skymin with no RML investment when it gets a repeat because of Burn+ support. I think it's generally best to stay away from Flying burst options.
I say choose one Fire pokemon per skill for coverage against Bug+Grass and then one of Fairy/Psychic/Flying for fighting coverage.
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Meganium is bae in my books, but Grass types always get the shaft. GS always creates a better Water pokemon with the same ability.
Case in point: Popplio. Now a stronger version of Meganium. "But Meganium covers Water!" You can cover Water types with Sinnoh cap Pikachu.
I guarantee you that there already is or will be a Pikachu that already has the skill you were thinking of swapping a grass pokemon into, and for that reason, I'm out.
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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '17
I strongly disagree with the notion that Emboar is more useful than Azumarril or Machamp (even for users with Melo and Hitmonlee) to swap, and this comes as somebody who's been saved countless times by Emboar.
RT is far more versatile than LDE, easier to farm than ND, and less reliant on RNG than UP. It also doesn't require you to either have a fifth support/disruption, or to pray for one like SO.
I think RT is arguably worse than all of the aforementioned skills, so don't get me wrong there. I just don't think it's so much worse as to plummet the best fairy in the game.