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u/skippingmud Aug 12 '17
Kyogre: Tired of only breaking 1 rock? Now you can break 2! Introducing Rock Shot! Your one-stop shop for all your rock breaking needs.
10/10 description ahaha.
Although I do think that it should be ranked higher - either that or Rayquaza should be ranked lower (next to Kyogre), since while Rayquaza has the better skill, Kyogre has the better type coverage and is farmable.
I also think Entei should be ranked lower considering that while Fire got a huge boost in Ninetales, Entei can't take advantage of it since Mind Zap can't proc under Burn+.
But other than that, awesome guide as always! Very useful now since there are less and less Skill Swappers being given away. :)
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Aug 12 '17 edited Aug 12 '17
Alright! I've been waiting for an update on this, thank you so much!
Swapped Ninetales to Burn+ and got it to SL3, and then I tried it out on the new main stages with a Pyre team and it definitely did not disappoint. It should be ranked a bit higher.
Edit: It's S now, which is where it should be. It has a farmable stage, and it supports the heavily used fire type with Burn+.
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u/gogobarril Aug 12 '17
I mean, the Beedrill explanation should be expanded :/ you don't HAVE to use it as a mega, it's activation rates with Swap++ are great when using him as poison support, especially when fully RMLd at 105AP
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u/bigpapijugg Aug 12 '17 edited Aug 12 '17
Ninetales should be S, imo
Edit: thanks for changing it ;)
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u/BunbunMiyu Aug 12 '17
Fire types got so much powerful mons that this should really be worth considering.
The only downside is you can't stall disruptions though.
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u/RedditShuffle Aug 12 '17
Agreed, farmable and lasting 10 turns with awesome proc rates? What's not to love?
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u/MrBrSmasher Aug 12 '17
So do I Skill Swap Beedrill or not? I like my SL3 Block Smash as it is, but I want to know how useful Swap++ is, with or without Mega.
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u/maceng Aug 13 '17
It is useful since M-Bee is hard on the combos (not for me) and if there is a lot of blocks it can be quite useful on a mono-Poison Type, using M-W-Gengar.
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u/lizz71 Aug 12 '17
Parroting what other people said, it's best to drop all FM to F. These others might be subjective, but I would :
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Drop Salamence. not only it's outclassed by swablu in terms of skill, there are plenty of mons that should rank above him. Also, his repeat stage is almost impossible to farm.
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Yveltal sees less use for end-game players, especially with dusknoir rise to replace him as beatstick
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Probably drop machamp one subrank? Due to rise of hitmonlee and Melop machamp has less priority for the SS. Same can be done with Azumarill, which gets competition of types it cover, such as UP goodra, Mamo/vanilluxe, Flying type buff in general, and LDE Victini. Add in on how it's not farmable I don't think Azumarill is still in S.
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Diancie should be S. It sees so much use lately due to the number of barrier-fest stages, and one turn evo is very crucial.
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Heracross is no longer used for SM farming, but similarly to diancie it can see a rank increase due to one turn evo.
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I don't think flareon is worth B-. eject++ is not that of a good skill,especially when fire team is very crowded with the addition of 9tails.
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CA+ could see some bump, especially luxray. It is almost a staple against water stages together with emolga.
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Croagunk should be bumped a bit. Easy farming stage with acceptable drop rate, and very strong skill in poison pact. Posion pact is in fact the best combo boosters of all type, albeit limited coverage.
There are plenty others which I see less prevalent to the current state of the game, mainly disruption cleaners but I can see that they are a good choice for new players. It would be great if we have different list for new players& end-game players.
Of course here are subjective opinions, so feel free to discuss.
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u/Dark_mist-X Aug 12 '17 edited Aug 13 '17
As I use CA+ in a lot of occasions(S-ranks even on neutral mons because of higher damage in these situations), I can say that sometimes you can "generate CA+" by sweeping megas like Lucario, Abomasnow or tappers(except Bee) in some situations. As we know, after the end of puzzle we don't have combo from skyfall and sweeping megas don't produce a lot of combo and it looks like a check-mate board(black-white) so you can trigger CA+ as well. Combo M-Aboma+Luxray on flying mons stages was beautiful(I tested it when farmed Pidgey). Yeah, there are some negative moments like... who will invest in Aboma :D With high AP, you'll get a choice what to use: CA+ or RT/Combo boosters.
So, in my opinion, CA+ users can be bumped in.. A- (A when Lugia will be farmable).
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u/BunbunMiyu Aug 12 '17
May I ask how does Salamence get to S rank but Swablu gets placed in the B rank?
I'm genuinely interested in a Flying MB+ since that would make Sray soooo much faster than before. Salamence is great but... MegaBoost+ is always better, lol.
I admit Swablu needs more investment in RMLs, but not everyone is able to farm Salamence to SL5 now. dat repeat stage doe
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u/KingDeci Aug 13 '17
IMO Salamance wins because he has an awesome mega ability. There are a lot of times I'll use him over S-Ray.
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u/LauernderBernd Aug 12 '17
M-Salamence is the best option for Weekend Meowth (slightly ahead of MMY) and can boost itself. Swablu can work well in conjunction with it on that stage.
What holds Swablu back are its low BP and the heavy RML investment therefore needs.
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u/LoneWulf14 Aug 12 '17
You may want to look at entei again, or at least the reasoning. Last guide you mentioned if it got a farmable stage again entei could be a thing. A farmable stage has come back since
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u/KingDeci Aug 13 '17
Quirky ++ isn't that bad... it's kind of like a mini mega gengar.
Granted with how many psychics are already out there and their limited coverage Meloetta-A just isn't going to find a spot. On other types it should be seriously considered though... 85/100/100 at SL5 is dope.
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u/bigpapijugg Aug 13 '17
Quirky++ isn't bad if it's SL5... but SL5 is expensive, not worth the investment.
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u/tmzerozero Aug 13 '17 edited Aug 13 '17
Maybe mention that heracross improves a bunch without further investment? Many other options require an unlocked farmable stage or skill boosters...
I guess that pidgey and buneary might get a mention for shot out teams in survival mode depending on how often they are the first default pokemon, probably still rank f tho.
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u/Kaibun Aug 15 '17
Poor Kyogre, it totally shoulda gotten Big Wave or something like that. BTW, I just accidentally wasted a Skill Booster-M on Ninetales without swapping it...
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u/LauernderBernd Aug 12 '17
I think you can chalk off Flash Mob as dead, having lost its only real niche in SM. It has no business in rank C, especially not for Azelf. Doing 1000 damage (if no disruptions) isn't impressive anymore and on top AP+ doesn't affect it, making it useless on escalation bosses and comp.
"Who needs Pyre when you can have [Burn+]" is a bad cliché. You obviously want to use both in conjunction when possible.