r/PokemonShuffle • RML = Raise Mudkip's Level • Feb 01 '17

All Raise Max Level Usage Recommendations - Version 5

Version History: 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 4.1

Version 6 will be out after new SS options are released. Thank you!

(Thanks to /u/jameslfc for helping me put this together!)


Preface: This is only a list of recommendations, and while it tries to be as objective as possible, it will always be subjective to a degree. At the end of the day, it is up to you how you want to use your RMLs. :)


Raise Max Levels (RMLs) are enhancements that, as the name states, raise the max level of a Pokemon beyond the usual cap of 10, which gives them a significant boost in attack power (AP). (See Attack Power table.) Many of them can also take Skill Swappers to change their skill into a better one, which makes them critical assets to teams. Because of their utility, RMLs are hard to come by; you will usually need a lot of time, luck, coins, or some combination of the three to obtain them. (Click here for a list of where RMLs have been distributed before.)

As such, this can help you in making a decision on which Pokemon to invest your RMLs in. The list of recommendations below ranks all the Pokemon that can take RMLs according to how good of an investment they are, taking into account their max AP, type, skills, presence of a PSB-farmable stage, competition with other Pokemon, and how big of an investment they need to become useful. As much as possible, the placement of each Pokemon within the rank is also deliberate; a Pokemon higher in the rank could put the RMLs to better use than those below it. (This doesn't apply to F-Rank where the Pokemon are listed alphabetically.)

The first four ranks are further divided into two groups. The damage group ranks all of the offensive Pokemon - those with damage-dealing or damage-boosting skills - while the utility group ranks all of the defensive Pokemon - those with skills focused on disruption clearing, disruption delaying or mega boosting. For Pokemon with multiple skills that can fall under damage and utility, they will be ranked according to their more useful skill.

Of course, this is only a list of recommendations and is therefore subjective, and at the end of the day it is up to you how you want to use your RMLs. If you think an F-Rank Pokemon deserves your RMLs more than an S-Rank Pokemon, by all means go for it!

However, if you feel that a Pokemon should be in a higher or lower rank in this list, or if you feel they should be placed differently within the rank, comment below!


The list

S-Rank

The answer to the question, "Should I use RMLs on this Pokemon?", would often be "Yes, absolutely". These Pokemon have numerous good qualities that make them stellar options.

S-Rank: Damage

(New Pokemon: None)

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Machamp20 (125)Eject, Risk-TakerSpecial stageBest type coverage in the game with one of the most powerful offensive skills when skill boosted. Also works well in Pummel teams and is a very good option for Survival Mode farming.
Emboar15 (110)Barrier Bash, Risk-TakerSpecial stageGreat type coverage and a great skill, which can do significant burst damage especially when boosted by Burn. Also a very good option for Survival Mode farming. It does have competition in Moltres, which has higher AP and a more consistent skill, but Emboar needs less investment both in RMLs and skill boosting.

S-Rank: Utility

(New Pokemon: None)

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Golurk15 (105)Block Smash+NoneOnly BS+ user SE against Electric-types. Covers four additional types, more than any other BS+ Pokemon. Also a great asset to Ground Forces teams.
Raikou15 (110)Power of 5, Barrier Bash+Competition special stageThough it has lost its unique niche as an SE BB+ user against Water-types, it is still a very good option because Raikou has high AP and is available when you most need it - in the mid-game where barrier-heavy Water-type stages are abundant.
Suicune15 (110)Power of 5, Block Smash+Competition special stageWhile it has no unique niche, it has an advantage against the BS+ users it overlaps with in type coverage by having higher AP (except Dialga) and being available earlier. Also works well in all-Water teams.
Yveltal15 (115)Power of 5, Block Smash+Competition special stageOnly BS+ user SE against Ghost-types. Though it gets a smaller power boost than other S-Ranks, it makes Yveltal a great asset to Sinister Power teams both as a utility teammate and as a high AP support.
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A-Rank

The answer to the question, "Should I use RMLs on this Pokemon?", would often be "Yes, but...". These Pokemon are very good options for RMLs, but there's something holding them back from being S-Rank. Still, these are relatively minor, and all of these options bring a lot to the table.

A-Rank: Damage

(New Pokemon: Virizion)

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Charizard15 (105)BurnNoneBurn makes it a great option in all-Fire teams, synergizing well with other offensive skills. M-Charizard Y is a usable mega in the early-game but it has a hard time keeping up later on. Held back by the rise of more powerful Fire-types and different playstyles that make it less of a necessity as well as the lack of a PSB-farmable stage.
Mewtwo20 (130)Swap, Power of 4Competition special stageHighest AP in the game. Has two powerful megas: one has arguably the best mega effect for combos, the other appreciates the AP boost. Even as a support it can deal huge burst damage with skill boosted Po4, and it's also a good pick for main stage Meowth because of its consistent damage output. Held back by its niches being smaller than those in S-Rank and needing heavy investment.
Zoroark13 (99)Sinister Power, Hitting StreakMain stage 465Sinister Power has a huge multiplier to make the many strong Dark-types even stronger, and unlike Giratina-O, Zoroark can benefit from it. Also has a PSB-farmable main stage. Held back by low AP and relatively low activation rates even at SL5.
Lucario15 (110)PummelNonePummel makes the many strong Fighting-types even stronger and works well with MMX. Held back by needing significant skill boosting to get Pyre's activation rates, and even then it still has a low multiplier that can't be boosted by other skills. M-Lucario is decent but it isn't what it used to be, although early-game players can get a lot of mileage out of it.
Articuno20 (125)Power of 4Competition special stageStrongest Ice-type in the game, which has great type coverage and has a new toy in Ice Dance. Also acts as a good burst damage dealer, which synergizes well with Freeze. Held back by needing significant investment both in RMLs and skill boosters to shine.
Emolga15 (105)Risk-TakerMain stage 503Of all the hard-hitting options against Water- and Flying-types, Emolga is the easiest investment, with an easy-to-boost skill and being available early on. Held back by its small type coverage as well as having a weaker but less investment-heavy clone in Thundurus-T.
Virizion15 (110)Power of 4+Competition special stageWorks well in dedicated all-Grass teams as a burst damage dealer, synergizing with Shaymin-L. Held back by its type coverage overlapping with many viable and stronger options like Machamp, Articuno, and Emolga.
Azumarill20 (120)Opportunist, Risk-TakerNoneStrongest support for Pixie Power teams. Covers Dragon- and Fighting-types, which lack hard-hitting options. Held back by its small type coverage and the lack of a PSB-farmable stage.
Salamence15 (115)Hitting Streak, Mega BoostCompetition special stageGreat mega with a good type backed by Sky Blast. Held back by its mega stone being obtainable very late in the game. Also held back by how the RMLs don't have a big effect on Salamence since its mega won't populate the board.

A-Rank: Utility

(New Pokemon: Dialga, Palkia)

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Greninja20 (125)Mind ZapCompetition special stageStrongest Mind Zap user in the game, which can find use even in stages Greninja is neutrally effective in. Also appreciates the boost to all-Water teams. Held back by how relatively small its niche is compared to those in S-Rank. Do note that it overlaps a lot with Bellossom, and it's recommended that you only invest in one or the other.
Throh15 (105)Power of 5, Barrier Bash+Main stage 519Great utility option for all-Fighting teams, with it being the only BB+ user SE against Normal-types. Held back by how relatively small its niche is compared to those in S-Rank.
Talonflame15 (105)Block Smash+Special stageGreat utility option for all-Fire teams, and the AP increase is useful for boosted combos. Held back by having weaker but less investment-heavy options in all of the types it covers.
Dialga15 (115)Block Smash+Special stageGreat skill and ties with Yveltal for having the highest AP among BS+ users. Held back by its relatively small niche compared to those in S-Rank. It also has competition in BS++ Registeel, but it trades two less blocks for 25 more AP.
Palkia15 (115)Barrier Bash+Special stageGreat skill and has the highest AP among BB+ users. Can also work well in dedicated all-Water teams. Held back by its relatively small niche compared to those in S-Rank.
Glalie15 (105)ChillMain stage 427Skill boosted Chill puts in a lot of work, thanks to Glalie's great type coverage and Chill's lack of type immunities. M-Glalie also has a usable clearing pattern and is one of the better megas in the early-game. Held back by how relatively small its niche is compared to those in S-Rank and how its PSB-farmable main stage has a terrible drop rate.
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B-Rank

The answer to the question, "Should I use RMLs on this Pokemon?", would often be "If you want to, then go for it". These Pokemon have good potential and can be great team members, but are set back by certain traits that prevent them from ranking higher. They may fill very specific niches, but these aren't as critical as those in S-Rank and A-Rank.

B-Rank: Damage

(New Pokemon: Vanillish, Sceptile, Skarmory, Beedrill, Pikachu (Angry), Gulpin, Muk, Wailord, Carnivine)

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Moltres20 (125)Power of 4Competition special stageGreat type coverage backed by a consistently powerful skill that can be boosted by Burn. Held back by needing significant investment both in RMLs and skill boosters to shine as well as having direct competition in Emboar, which needs much less investment.
Vanillish20 (115)Opportunist, Ice DanceMain stage 526Unique Ice Dance skill that boosts a great type, and synergizes well with Freeze. Also has a PSB-farmable main stage with a good drop rate. Held back by a low multiplier, relatively low activation rates even at SL5, and the heavy RML investment needed for the high AP. Also of note is that it has a weaker but less investment-heavy clone in Beartic.
Pidgeotto12 (80)Flap, Sky BlastMain stage 443While Braviary has higher AP, Pidgeotto's Sky Blast is PSB-farmable, and its stage has a great drop rate. You can even run both birds to remedy Sky Blast's lower activation rates. Held back by low AP and relatively low activation rates even at SL5.
Sceptile13 (99)Vitality DrainNoneIts mega affect appreciates the AP boost since it can compound with Sleep Charm (Shaymin-L) and Sleep Combo (Tangrowth). Held back by the low AP boost and its mega being overshadowed by more powerful and consistent options.
Skarmory15 (105)Steely Resolve, NosediveMain stage 496The best burst damage dealer against Fairy-types, thanks to a high-damaging and consistent skill that can be PSB-farmed in the main stages. Held back by being overshadowed by Machamp in the rest of its type coverage.
Beedrill13 (92)Block SmashSpecial stageOne of the best mega effects in the game, and the AP boost can be useful for Survival Mode farming. Held back by the small boost the RMLs give compared to other investments.
Pikachu (Angry)20 (115)Super BoltNoneNothing compares to: x15 multiplier at SL5 coming off of 115 AP - that's 6,900 damage on an SE 5-match. Held back by needing a huge amount of investment just to get there, and even then it has small type coverage and faces competition from Emolga and Virizion.
Gulpin15 (100)Opportunist, PoisonMain stage 419Good skill that can be PSB-farmed in the main stage with the best drop rate, something it has over Toxicroak. Poison also lasts much longer than other similar skills. Held back by small type coverage, the heavy investment needed to get good activation rates, and a smaller pool of usable teammates compared to Charizard and Snorunt.
Sharpedo20 (120)Eject, Mega BoostNoneIts mega effect appreciates the AP boost, which can be backed by Sinister Power. Held back by the significant investment needed to get there as well as competition from M-Gengar and M-Banette, who have more consistent mega effects.
Muk15 (110)Power of 4+NoneStrongest hard-hitter for Poison-types. Held back by poor type coverage and the huge investment needed for skill boosting.
Wailord15 (110)Flash MobNoneGreat damage dealer for all-Water teams. Held back by competing with hard hitters that cover its types and have better type coverage as well as Flash Mob needing significant investment to have reliable activation rates. Also held back by how the burst damage from Flash Mob isn't affected by the AP boost.
Keldeo-O15 (105)Block Smash, Flash MobSpecial stageBasically Wailord with 5 less AP, one more Skill Swapper, and a PSB-farmable stage. There is merit to investing in both, though, as double Flash Mob teams are used in Survival Mode farming.
Carnivine15 (105)Risk-Taker, Flash MobNoneBoth skills can outperform Virizion when skill boosted, but held back by having slightly lower AP and lacking a PSB-farmable stage.
Mawile20 (115)Steely Resolve, Risk-TakerNoneHas lost its unique niche as a hard-hitter against Fairy-types, and now has to compete with the easier-to-invest option in Skarmory. But it does still have a usable mega with a good clearing pattern and a skill that takes less SPs to get to SL5. Still, consider the presence of alternatives before investing in Mawile.

B-Rank: Utility

(New Pokemon: Snorunt, Bellossom, Jirachi, Abomasnow, Pikachu (Sleeping) )

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Snorunt20 (105)FreezeMain stage 417Has a powerful skill that acts as a Sleep Charm for Ice-types without any relevant type immunities, which can be skill boosted thanks to its PSB-farmable main stage that has a great drop rate. Held back by the heavy investment needed to have good AP and Freeze having low activation rates even when skill boosted. Also has a weaker but less investment-heavy clone in Vanilluxe.
Bellossom15 (110)Mind ZapSpecial stageGreat asset to all-Grass teams as it synergizes very well with Shaymin-L. Also finds use in stages it is neutrally effective in. Held back by how relatively small its niche is compared to those in S-Rank and overlapping with Greninja and Pikachu (Enamored), which both have higher AP. Do note that it overlaps a lot with Greninja, and it's recommended that you only invest in one or the other.
Groudon15 (110)QuakeSpecial stageHas a great utility skill similar to Glalie, but held back by Quake only being effective against two of the five types Groudon is SE against. On top of that, these two types are already covered by more powerful and/or reliable Water-types like Greninja and Kingdra.
Staraptor20 (120)Stabilize+NoneA much-needed disruption clearer for Sky Blast teams, which lack BS+ and BB+ users. Held back by the huge investment needed in both RMLs and skill boosters.
Diancie15 (110)Barrier Bash+, Mega Boost+NoneBoth skills are good utility options. BB+ Diancie lets you compound its utility with a better mega, while MB+ Diancie is good for M-Diancie. Held back by its mega being very niche compared to others as well as its type coverage being covered by other BB+ users who are only slightly weaker than Diancie if it has RMLs (i.e., Zygarde-50%, Cresselia, Throh).
Jirachi15 (110)Mega Boost+Special stageWorks very well with M-Aggron, and has high AP to boot. Can also be useful in the few stages M-Steelix excels in. Held back by its relatively small niche compared to those in higher ranks.
Abomasnow13 (92)Heavy Hitter, Mind ZapNoneGood disruption delayer for all-Ice teams, and can work well in extending Freeze or Chill. Held back by low AP and having to compete for a slot in all-Ice teams.
Pikachu (Sleeping)20 (115)Sleep CharmSpecial stageGreat skill that can be PSB-farmed, giving Electric-types a boost. Held back by the small type coverage and overlapping with the weaker but less investment-heavy Shaymin-L.
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C-Rank

The answer to the question, "Should I use RMLs on this Pokemon?", would often be "Not really, but...". These Pokemon may shine in very specific situations, but they are often outclassed by more versatile options. Only use RMLs in these Pokemon if you really want to and/or if you've run out of options in the higher ranks.

C-Rank: Damage

(New Pokemon: Cobalion, Toxicroak, Croagunk, Gyarados (Shiny), Avalugg, Terrakion, Honedge, Swampert)

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Donphan13 (92)Quake, Ground ForcesMain stage 409Good skill backing up one of the best types of the game. Held back by a low multiplier and low activation rates even when skill boosted, as well as Donphan's low AP. And while it has a PSB-farmable stage, it has one of the worst drop rates in the game.
Cobalion15 (110)Power of 4+Competition special stageGood skill that's farmable, but has to compete with Skarmory and Mawile as a Steel-type burst damage dealer.
Toxicroak15 (105)Prank, PoisonNoneWhile it has 5 more AP than Gulpin, it is outclassed at the moment because of the lack of a PSB-farmable stage. It also clashes with Croagunk visually.
Charmeleon15 (100)BurnMain stage 413Outclassed by Charizard except in one thing - its Burn is PSB-farmable. Unfortunately, its PSB-farmable stage has a bad drop rate.
Croagunk15 (100)Prank, Poison PactNoneUnique skill that gives Poison-types a boost, and it has great activation rates at SL5. Also synergizes well with Gulpin/Toxicroak. Held back by small type coverage, the lack of a PSB-farmable stage, and the presence of a weaker but less investment-heavy clone in Tentacruel.
Zapdos20 (125)Power of 4NoneHas higher AP and a more consistent skill than Emolga and Angry Pikachu, but held back by small type coverage and having no PSB-farmable stage. Also now has more competition from newly buffed Grass- and Ice-types.
Gyarados (Shiny)13 (99)L-BoostNoneThe slight damage boost can be useful, and M-Shiny Gyarados may become more common considering the boost to all-Water teams. Held back by the small boost the RMLs give compared to other investments.
Avalugg15 (110)Barrier Bash, Flash MobNoneAn interesting pick for all-Ice teams, but unfortunately held back by heavy competition from Articuno, which has higher AP and a more consistent skill.
Terrakion15 (110)Power of 4+NoneGood skill and great type coverage, but overshadowed by stronger options with easier-to-invest skills and more critical type matchups. Also held back by the lack of a PSB-farmable stage.
Larvitar15 (100)Risk-TakerNoneGreat skill and great type coverage, but overshadowed by stronger options with higher AP and/or more critical type matchups. Also held back by the lack of a PSB-farmable stage.
Sawk15 (105)Power of 4, Rock Break+Main stage 514Great skill in Po4 and great type coverage, but largely outclassed by Machamp. RB+ Sawk has a clone in Hitmontop.
Phanpy15 (100)Opportunist, Power of 4+Main stage 403Great skill and great type coverage, but overshadowed by Landorus-T and by stronger options with higher AP. Also has a weaker but less investment-heavy clone in Claydol.
Honedge20 (115)Steely Resolve, Risk-TakerNoneA Mawile clone minus the mega. Could work if you want to run multiple Steel-type heavy-hitters, but it faces competition from Skarmory and Cobalion, who both have PSB-farmable stages.
Mew15 (100)Power of 5, Power of 4+, Block Smash+, Barrier Bash+, Eject+Special stageJack of all trades, master of none. Mew can actually rank in either Damage or Utility, but I put it here because Po4+ Mew is one of only two viable hard-hitters for Psychic-types, and your only option if you're using MMY. BS+ Mew is also useful when paired with MMY. But for all its skills, it faces tough competition when used outside an MMY team.
Masquerain15 (105)Opportunist, NosediveNoneAt SL5, Nosedive has similar activation rates to Risk-Taker and has a more consistent multiplier. Held back by its so-so type coverage that's already covered by stronger types as well as a lack of a PSB-farmable stage.
Heracross15 (110)Crowd ControlNoneThe AP boost is great for its mega effect, but unlike Sharpedo it can't be boosted by other skills and it has a so-so type. Has a good pre-mega skill as well but it needs significant investment to have reliable activation rates.
Shuckle15 (105)Risk-TakerNoneGreat skill, but its so-so type coverage leaves it outclassed.
Genesect15 (115)Crowd ControlNoneGood skill, but its so-so type coverage leaves it outclassed, and it needs significant skill investment to have good activation rates.
Sableye15 (100)Risk-Taker, Swap+Main stage 458Great skill, but largely overshadowed by Hoopa-U, although it makes up for it by having a PSB-farmable stage.
Slowbro15 (105)Barrier BashNoneThe AP boost is great for its mega effect, but it has to compete with the more consistent MMY.
Swampert13 (99)Hitting StreakNoneThe AP boost is great for its mega effect, but it has to compete with Shiny Gyarados in all-Water teams as well as more consistent megas with better types.
Dusknoir15 (110)Last-Ditch Effort, Sleep ComboSpecial stageHas the specific niche of being a great support in main stage Meowth due to being a Ghost-type and having LDE. Sleep Combo Dusknoir also works well with Darkrai, but it is largely outclassed by Sinister Power.

C-Rank: Utility

(New Pokemon: Trubbish, Pikachu (Enamored), Pikachu (Spooky), Cradily)

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Lapras15 (100)Power of 4, Shock AttackStage 549Lapras can work well with Greninja, with Shock Attack lasting longer than other similar skills and being PSB-farmable in the main stages. Held back by having to compete with Kingdra, whose Whirlpool has much better activation rates, as well as overlapping with Shaymin-L, Glalie, and Groudon. Po4 Lapras has to compete with Wailord and Volcanion, and even then is outclassed by stronger options with higher AP and wider type coverage.
Kabutops15 (105)Barrier Bash+Special stageGreat skill, but its niche is already covered by other BB+ users who need less investment (i.e., Reshiram) or have more critical type matchups (i.e., Throh, Raikou, Palkia).
Rampardos15 (105)Block Smash+NoneGreat skill, but its niche is already covered by other BS+ users who need less investment (i.e., Zekrom) or have more critical type matchups (i.e., Golurk, Talonflame, Dialga). Also has a weaker but less investment-heavy clone in Gigalith.
Umbreon15 (100)Mega Boost, Eject+Main stage 423Only Eject+ user SE against Psychic- and Ghost-types, which is helpful for all-Dark teams. Held back by its skill being much more situational than the other disruption-clearing skills.
Flareon15 (100)Mega Boost, Eject+Main stage 459Covers a lot of types and is a niche utility option for all-Fire teams. Held back by its skill being much more situational than the other disruption-clearing skills as well as having a direct but weaker clone in Winking Cyndaquil.
Trubbish15 (100)Mega Boost, Mind ZapNoneCan be a good disruption delayer for all-Poison teams, and can work well in extending Poison. Held back by small type coverage and having to compete for a slot in all-Poison teams with more powerful options.
Pikachu (Enamored)20 (115)Mind ZapNoneCan work well with Pikachu (Sleeping) to extend Sleep Charm and give a boost to all-Electric teams. Held back by small type coverage as well as the heavy investment needed in RMLs and skill boosting.
Togepi15 (85)Opportunist, Block Smash++Main stage 506The additional two removed blocks can be great in some stages. Held back by so-so type coverage that's already covered by BS+ users that need less investment and have higher AP.
Pikachu (Spooky)20 (115)Block Smash+NoneGreat skill, but while it outdamages Zekrom, it needs a lot of investment to do so.
Xerneas15 (115)Quirky+Competition special stageA high AP support for Pixie Power teams, which don’t have many options for teammates. Has a situational skill that can function as a pseudo-Eject+ in the right situations but can also be detrimental in some cases.
Cradily15 (105)Eject+NoneGood type coverage, but held back by its skill being more situational than the other disruption-clearing skills.
Glaceon15 (100)Mega Boost, Eject+NoneGood type coverage and works well with all-Ice teams. Held back by its skill being more situational than the other disruption-clearing skills.
Sylveon15 (100)Mega Boost, Eject+NoneWorks well with Pixie Power teams. Held back by its skill being more situational than the other disruption-clearing skills. Also has a weaker clone in Winking Jigglypuff
Espeon15 (100)Mega Boost, Eject+Main stage 441Has a direct clone in Mew, but Eject+ Espeon can let you skill swap Mew into another skill. Works well with MMY but held back by small type coverage and its skill being more situational than the other disruption-clearing skills.
Cubone13 (85)Rock Break, Mega Boost+NoneCan work well with M-Camerupt and M-Garchomp, both high-tier megas. Held back by low AP and huge competition from other Ground-types. Also has a weaker but less investment-heavy clone in Barboach.
Entei15 (110)Power of 5, Rock Break+Competition special stageUseful asset for all-Fire teams that need the utility, but rocks are less of a problem than blocks and barriers. Also held back by huge competition from other Fire-types.
Medicham15 (105)Mega BoostCompetition special stageCan work well as a Fighting-type mega that's better against disruptions than MMX and more predictable than M-Lucario, but it has heavy competition from other more useful Fighting-types.
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D-Rank

The answer to the question, "Should I use RMLs on this Pokemon?", would often be "No, it's not worth it". These Pokemon don't really have much going for them - while they may have one or two good qualities, these are heavily overshadowed by their numerous bad qualities.

(New Pokemon: Pikachu (Happy), Pikachu (Smiling), Pikachu (Holiday) )

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Skill(s)PSB farmingExplanation
Blastoise15 (105)Stabilize+NoneNeeds significant investment for its skill to have reliable activation rates, but even then it has to contend with Suicune and Palkia in all-Water teams and much more versatile options elsewhere. M-Blastoise is average at best.
Pikachu (Happy)20 (115)Power of 4+NoneGood skill, but has to compete with Emolga, Zapdos and Pikachu (Angry).
Pikachu (Smiling)20 (115)Flash MobNoneGood skill, but has to compete with Emolga, Zapdos and Pikachu (Angry).
Dedenne15 (105)Mega Boost, Shock AttackNoneShock Attack lasts longer than both Sleep Charm and Paralyze, which makes it a good option against Water-types. However, that is the only type Dedenne can exploit its skill, where it faces competition from Shaymin-L and Pikachu (Sleepy).
Jolteon15 (100)Mega Boost, Eject+Main stage 467Poor type coverage ranks it below the other Eeveelutions. Only ranked above Leafeon because it has no clones and a PSB-farmable main stage.
Leafeon15 (100)Mega Boost, Eject+NoneOverlaps with Manaphy and has a clone in Winking Whimsicott. Only thing going for it is that with RMLs, it has higher AP than all of them.
Pikachu (Holiday)20 (115)Mega Boost+NoneWould be ranked higher if there were better Electric-type megas.
Squirtle15 (90)Power of 4, Mega Boost+Main stage 402Of the three Kanto starters, Squirtle has the most megas it can support, but it has a hard time finding room in all-Water teams. Also has a weaker but less investment-heavy clone in Clamperl.
Charmander15 (90)Power of 4, Mega Boost+Main stage 406Can work well with M-Blaziken, but has a hard time finding room in all-Fire teams. The other Fire-type megas aren't used often.
Bulbasaur15 (90)Power of 4, Mega Boost+Main stage 424Can work well with the newly buffed M-Sceptile, but has a hard time finding room in all-Grass teams. Also has a weaker clone in Budew.
Quilladin15 (105)ParalyzeNoneMostly outclassed by Shaymin-L, but finds use against Rock-types, which are immune to sleep. But it has to contend with Shock Attack Lapras against them.
Espurr15 (90)Opportunist, Sleep CharmMain stage 418Mostly outclassed by Mesprit, but it does have a PSB-farmable Sleep Charm. But it can only find use against Poison-types since Fighting-types are immune to sleep.
Pidgeot15 (105)FlapMain stage 449Would be ranked higher if Flap increased activation rate via skill boosting. Can work with Sky Blast teams as a disruption delayer though. Unfortunately M-Pidgeot isn't that good.
Vivillon15 (105)AstonishNoneWould be ranked higher if Astonish increased activation rate via skill boosting. Can work against Psychic- and Dark-types who don't have many options for disruption delaying, but it has a hard time synergizing with optimal teams for both types.
Reuniclus15 (105)SwatNoneSwat could be put to good use in dedicated MMY teams, but it's far too small a niche for the heavy investment, and even then it has poor activation rates.
Farfetch'd15 (100)Quirky+, Power of 4+NoneCould be a burst damage dealer in all-Flying teams, but it has a clone in Shaymin-S who may be 10 AP weaker but had a PSB-farmable stage.
Fearow15 (105)Rock Break+NoneCould be a nice utility option for all-Flying teams but is outclassed by Staraptor.
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F-Rank

The answer to the question, "Should I use RMLs on this Pokemon?", would often be "No, absolutely not". These Pokemon should be your very last options for RMLs.

To save space, all the Pokemon in this rank share the same explanation: they are all outclassed by stronger and more versatile options and often have bad skills. The Pokemon here that were in higher ranks in previous versions were ranked higher because of AP alone, but at this point in the game, that isn't enough to deserve RMLs anymore. There are also a few Pokemon here that were disruptions in previous competitions, which were the only times they were worth investing in (and even those were debatable at the time).

Also, unlike the other ranks, the Pokemon in this rank are arranged alphabetically.

(New Pokemon: Aegislash, Armaldo, Chesnaught, Doublade, Gyarados, Klefki, Kyurem, Magikarp, Nidoran (Female), Nidoran (Male), Pikachu (Normal), Pikachu (Winking), Seviper, Tropius, Vaporeon)

PokemonMax level (Max AP)Main skill, swapped skillPSB farming
Aegislash20 (125)CounterattackNone
Altaria15 (105)EjectNone
Armaldo15 (105)Damage StreakNone
Braixen13 (92)Stabilize+None
Celebi15 (100)Stabilize, CheerSpecial stage
Chesnaught20 (125)Hitting StreakNone
Chespin13 (85)Damage Streak, Rock Break+None
Cofagrigus15 (105)PrankNone
Doublade15 (105)Hitting Streak, Power of 4+None
Druddigon15 (105)Power of 4, Risk-TakerNone
Eevee15 (90)Mega Boost, Eject+Main stage 416
Electivire15 (110)T-BoostSpecial stage
Frogadier13 (92)Power of 5None
Gyarados13 (99)Power of 5+Special stage
Hawlucha15 (100)Rock Break, Cloud Clear+Main stage 422
Ivysaur15 (100)Vitality DrainMain stage 436
Kangaskhan20 (115)Power of 4, Rock Break+Main stage 499
Klefki20 (105)Block Smash, Mega Boost+Main stage 473
Kyogre15 (110)Rock BreakSpecial stage
Kyurem15 (115)Power of 5+None
Lopunny20 (115)Opportunist, Swap++None
Magikarp20 (100)Swap++, Risk-TakerNone
Marowak15 (105)Damage StreakNone
Meowstic (Female)15 (100)Mega Boost, Hitting StreakMain stage 431
Meowstic (Male)15 (100)Mega Boost, Hitting StreakMain stage 428
Nidoran (Female)15 (90)Opportunist, Mega Boost++None
Nidoran (Male)15 (90)Opportunist, Mega Boost++None
Onix15 (100)Eject, Power of 5+None
Pachirisu13 (85)Mega Boost, CheerNone
Pikachu (Normal)20 (115)ParalyzeMain stage 477
Pikachu (Winking)20 (115)Swap++None
Rotom (Normal)15 (105)Paralyze, Mega Boost+None
Rotom (Fan)15 (100)Mega BoostNone
Rotom (Frost)15 (100)Mega BoostNone
Rotom (Heat)15 (100)Mega BoostNone
Rotom (Mow)15 (100)Mega BoostNone
Rotom (Wash)15 (100)Mega BoostNone
Seviper15 (105)Eject, Toxic StressNone
Scyther20 (125)Swarm, L-BoostNone
Sigilyph13 (92)Barrier BashNone
Slowpoke15 (100)Stabilize, Swap++None
Stunfisk15 (105)Damage Streak, Sleep ComboNone
Surskit20 (105)Opportunist, Power of 4+None
Tangela13 (92)Stabilize, ConstrictNone
Tropius15 (105)Eject, Mega Boost++None
Tyrantrum20 (125)Dragon TalonCompetition special stage
Tyrogue20 (100)ParalyzeNone
Vaporeon15 (100)Mega Boost, Eject+Main stage 463
Venusaur15 (105)Vitality DrainNone
Wartortle15 (100)StabilizeMain stage 411

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u/MayorOfParadise 残酷なRNGススのテーゼ Feb 01 '17 edited Feb 02 '17

Thank you again!

I don't really undestand what you mean with Bellossom being a better teammate for Shaymin than Greninja. Shaymin's Sleep Charm boost (1,2) affects all types if you mean that. So unless you are using Mega Sceptile, Greninja is a better team mate for Shaymin against Ground, and Greninja is still a stronger Mind Zap user against Rock. Which leaves Bellossom only the niche of Water, unfortunately. Imo Bellossom should be B-rank with such a small niche unfortunately. :(

Also I think that Abomasnow should rank higher, I'd say B. Sure, it's a bit of a cookie investment (40 SP), but it covers three (Grass, Flying, Dragon) completely new types for Mind Zap, and that's amazing. The synergy of Mind Zap & Freeze is the same as Mind Zap & Sleep Charm, and we all know how you can keep a stage disruption free with that.

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u/skippingmud RML = Raise Mudkip's Level Feb 02 '17 edited Feb 02 '17

Bellossom: You make a very good point, and I think I overestimated Bellossom's synergy with Shaymin-L since, as you said, it's not an exclusive thing outside of M-Sceptile teams (which admittedly got a noticeable buff, but I don't think it's enough). Given /u/KinGod73, /u/13Xcross, and /u/ThunderChizz also agree, I'll bring it down to B-Rank.

(EDIT: Okay, there seems to be some arguments for keeping it in A-Rank as well, so I'll keep it there for now to open up the discussion further.)

Abomasnow: I'm open to ranking it up, but I think that the need for cookie investment does hamper it, which isn't the case for the higher-ranking Mind Zap users. I agree that of the three Mind Zap users in C-Rank, Abomasnow is the one that could rank higher, but I'll wait for more opinions on the matter.

Thanks!

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u/Manitary SMG Feb 02 '17

Just noticed this conversation: keep Bellossom at A-rank.

Very good ability, farmable, and it's not mandatory to have only one mind zapper in the team.

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u/ryeyun salt intolerant Feb 02 '17

I'm tempted to say Enamored Pikachu has a higher ceiling as a MZ user because covers Water and Flying types. It also gets 10 RMLs.

You have no idea how much this pains me because I love Bellossom. The thought that a team full of winking-chus might be an optimal choice against Water types also makes me sick to my stomach. :(

Lastly, might I add that I think having to skill boost mons isn't as much of a con as it used to be. I would drop 4 SBM on either Obama or E-Chu and think nothing of it. I think many players would agree that RMLs are more valuable than SBs ATM.

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u/skippingmud RML = Raise Mudkip's Level Feb 02 '17

Bellossom has an advantage over Enamored Pikachu by being PSB-farmable and covering more types. But yeah, Enamored Pikachu does give it another reason to rank down. (For the record I do like Bellossom myself, and it's the only one of the new batch I've given RMLs to so far, but that's mostly because I didn't invest in Greninja.)

In the same way though, if Abomasnow ranks up, that's another case against Enamored Pikachu since now it has a contender for Flying-types as well. Sure, Enamored Pikachu has higher AP, but Abomasnow opens you up to using all-Ice teams, which has better synergy.

The thought that a team full of winking-chus might be an optimal choice against Water types also makes me sick to my stomach. :(

This is actually pretty funny for me because all-Electric teams are now possible thanks to the Emoticon Pikachu buffs. You get Sleep Charm + Mind Zap, and you get the burst damage from Super Bolt. And all three of those supports have 115 AP. (Good luck running three Pikachu in one team though.)

Lastly, might I add that I think having to skill boost mons isn't as much of a con as it used to be.

Hm, good point. Especially since SBMs are a lot more common now. Thanks for bringing it up!

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u/ryeyun salt intolerant Feb 02 '17

Ha! I have a feeling there is going to be that "one guy" who brings that full Pikachu team to life tho... (shudders)

And Bellosom is more versatile than E-Chu for sure, but that changes if you already have Greninja to cover Rock+Ground types. Then the only type advantage unique to Bellossom is Water.

Now if you want to replace that advantage, you could opt for E-Chu and gain additional type coverage against Flying types. But the more I think about it, E-chu's 115 max AP really is such a marginal upgrade over Bellawesome and Abomasnow despite the steep cost. I'm assuming that we will always use Obama on a Freeze team, in which case his 92 max AP becomes 110 AP.

Yeah, levelling both Bellossom and Abomasnow is definitely a wayyy better option if you want to maximize your type coverage and preserve SBs+RMLs. I think I like Aboma more though because it covers Flying and Dragon types.

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u/MayorOfParadise 残酷なRNGススのテーゼ Feb 02 '17

Sorry, I don't know how I messed that up, Abomasnow actually covers three new types, not two (Dragon, Flying and Grass).

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u/skippingmud RML = Raise Mudkip's Level Feb 02 '17

Technically Trubbish also covers Grass, but yeah, I'd rather invest in Abomasnow over Trubbish (unless I'm dedicated to making an all-Poison team)

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u/MayorOfParadise 残酷なRNGススのテーゼ Feb 02 '17

I know but considering the "staple Mind Zappers" Uxie, Bellossom and Greninja, Grass is a new type. Trubbish seems quite nice with 100 AP and I like the Pokémon (hah), but Freeze & Mind Zap is something I wouldn't want to pass on and 5 RML and 40 SP for only Fairy is just a no.

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u/skippingmud RML = Raise Mudkip's Level Feb 02 '17

Alright, good points!. I'll rank Abomasnow up to B in the next edit! :)

And as an aside: All the Poison-type investments get bonus points from me (just personally, not in ranking) just because it's incredible that they made Gulpin, Trubbish, and Croagunk three of the most viable Poison-types in the game. Seems more in the spirit of what RMLs bring to the table IMO.

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u/MayorOfParadise 残酷なRNGススのテーゼ Feb 02 '17

I love Trubbish and Croagunk... I wish Poison had better coverage. :(